Cockpit

* User Profile

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

Who's Online

  • *Users: 1
  • *Guests: 24
  • *Total: 25

Author Topic: Frustration to the limit!  (Read 1906 times)

Offline tennyson

  • Forum GURU
  • *
  • Posts: 478
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Aviation Enthusiast
  • First Name: Frank
  • Home Location: Brisbane, Australia
Frustration to the limit!
« on: February 15, 2017, 07:28:20 AM »
In the never ending quest of getting my cockpit looking and operating better, I've spent the last few months updating almost every piece of software in the sim.

Last year, I thought it was a great idea to update my throttle, so I shelled out the cost of a second hand car, on what I believed to be, cutting edge technology.

Well, it was and it wasn't.

Back to the updated software. It caused major havoc! It has taken me all these months to get back to a reasonably stable situation, where I can go out, start things up and with 90% certainty, go for a fly anywhere in the world.

Only yesterday, I finally sorted out my last problem, integrating the new throttle and the test flight was flawless.

I spent last night digging out the Inaugural flights plans I had planned for last year.
I got up this morning, printed out my PFPX paperwork, Charts and guides, all prepared to launch into the second flight in my circumnavigation around Australia and New Zealand.

Things didn't go that well.
My CP Flight MCP wouldn't play the game. I played for a while and finally got it going.
So, cranked it all up, everything going and then I moved the aircraft to the starting point of Kingsford Smith Airport....boom, Crash.
P3D spat the dummy.
I started it up again and same result. I'm running Fly Tampa Sydney with pretty high settings, so I dropped them down.
P3D is closing down to desktop, now.

I make the decision, delete the cfg and re-start.
Nothing...nada....P3D doesn't wanna play.

I'm getting to be a bit of a veteran at this.
I know now, that I can keep going, get angry, swear and loose my cool, or I can just walk away.

Frustration to the max!

I shut it all down and went to the gym, ran around the gym and worked out my frustrations and lived to fight another day.

John Denver had it spot on...Some days are Diamonds, some days are crap....or something to those effects!



Frank

Offline Bob Reed

  • Administrator
  • I am chained to this website!
  • *
  • Posts: 2,164
  • Karma: +10/-0
  • Bob the Builder!
  • First Name: Bob
  • Home Location: Holley, New York
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 12:39:31 PM »
I know this feeling all to well. Happened to me the other night. Things that had been working perfectly would not play well. This is the life of a simnut. Sorry Frank.

Offline FredK

  • Forum GURU
  • *
  • Posts: 380
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • 737NG Cockpit Builder
  • First Name: Fred Kurasiewicz
  • Home Location: Williamsburg, Virginia, USA
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 12:44:27 PM »
Frank -

Hang in there....you will get it all resolved...the storm will pass.  It always does.

Just take a deep breath and give it a rest for a couple of days. You will get it all working.

But nothing is forever....and that axiom certainly applies to our hobby...the storm will return.  It always does.

But isn't this fun!

Fred
Boeing 737NG-800, Prepar3D v3.35, Sim-Avionics, WideView multi-channel (curved screen), Optoma 1080GT projectors (3), Fly Elise warping, FSGRW weather, FDS OH panels and CDUs, SimParts MIP, FDS SysBoards (OH), CPFlight MCPPro and pedestal panels, FI Gauges, converted motorized TQ (SIOC), Weber seats

Offline jfuenmayor

  • Forum GURU
  • *
  • Posts: 128
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Aviation Enthusiast
  • First Name: Joaquin
  • Home Location: Miami
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 02:38:00 PM »

I do not know what it is with P3D and add on software but, in my case, it fails to crank up once or twice before I get it going. It just hangs on the initial screen. Sometimes it just needs a re boot, sometimes not, at any rate, I have now assumed a more relaxed mind set and simply take for granted that this will happen, I am certainly not going to uninstall all the add on software ( ORBX, FSGenesis plus a myriad of airports etc.), I expect that some times it will take up to twenty extra minutes before I am ready to pushback from the gate.
So, cheer up fellows!!
 :2cw:

Offline RayS

  • I may as well be Staff!
  • *
  • Posts: 643
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Private Pilot, Sim Enthusiast
    • Anthony Scott Photography
  • First Name: Ray Sotkiewicz
  • Home Location: Seattle, WA
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 03:41:43 PM »
Yep.. Same story here as well. Sim can go months without any issues then BAM! Gremlins start to creep in...

Usually right around the time you're about to host some friends for a day of flying!

Ray Sotkiewicz

Offline tennyson

  • Forum GURU
  • *
  • Posts: 478
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Aviation Enthusiast
  • First Name: Frank
  • Home Location: Brisbane, Australia
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 06:49:42 PM »
Hahaha...all too true.

I'm taking some valued advice and walking away for a few days.

I enjoy this hobby so much, but unlike all other hobbies I have, you never seem to be able to count on it.

I'm not disappointed, just aware......haha, first World problems!


Frank

Offline sagrada737

  • 737NG Home Cockpit:
  • I may as well be Staff!
  • *
  • Posts: 503
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • N737CM - Keep your airspeed up !
    • Imaging The Heavens
  • First Name: Mike
  • Home Location: Las Cruces, New Mexico USA
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2017, 11:18:23 PM »
One thing to consider with these Sim setups, it the impact on Sim software due to Windows Updates.   Most of us have smooth running Sim, the "out of the blue", things seem to go south for no reason at all.   That is, until you look at the Windows Update history.  This is why I create Windows Restore points on a frequent basis, especially after installing any new add-ons, like applications and/or scenery.  Not all modifications to our Sims works out correctly, and typically needs some tweaking to get things working nicely.  But when it is working correctly, that is a good time to create a new Restore point.  It's also a good idea at the same time to make a complete Image Disk of the OS and Data.   I have found that when the Sim starts having issues after it has been working correctly, that shutting things completely down and restarting the computers will resolve many of the issues.   If all that does not work, then I will resort to using the last working Restore point, which has never failed to bring the Sim back to working condition.

Mike
P3d v3.x with Sim-Avionics (two computers), FDS MIP, 3-Optoma HD GT180 projection display driven by a single nvidia GTX980.

Offline tennyson

  • Forum GURU
  • *
  • Posts: 478
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Aviation Enthusiast
  • First Name: Frank
  • Home Location: Brisbane, Australia
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 08:39:54 AM »
As usual, that's great advice Mike and I have heeded it.

My cockpit PC's (5 of them) are running on a separate network than the rest of my household PC's.

It's closed network, but when I need to update things, I have a wired connection to the modem.

Win 10 is a bitch for updates, doing them whenever it feels. I am extremely aware of the update issue during flying.

So, one of the good things that came from my earlier frustrations with the cockpit.
I've stopped doing updates willy nilly. I have a routine and a schedule now.

Maintenance on a two weekly basis and software updates bi-monthly.

It's been going great, except for the issues with the throttle.

After three years of building, it's time to make the mongrel pay some enjoyment back to me....hahaha



Frank

Offline FredK

  • Forum GURU
  • *
  • Posts: 380
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • 737NG Cockpit Builder
  • First Name: Fred Kurasiewicz
  • Home Location: Williamsburg, Virginia, USA
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 06:08:20 PM »
Okay...There is definitely an axiom with this hobby that says the chances of a sim crash increases by a factor of ten when a visitor is present.

A perfect example of that was just yesterday....

My interest for some time now is to do a presentation on cockpit building to the Model Railroad Club in my community at one of their meetings. I think the subject matter would be of interest to this group, and my ulterior motive is to do some advertising about cockpit building to perhaps coax some individuals to consider it as a second hobby (and to also do some advertising for WorldFlight).

So I get the president of the Railroad Club to visit last night. 

Now, my sim has been flying and behaving extremely well of late for the most part, but to be absolutely sure I spent the afternoon checking things out and rehearsing the flights I planned to do. All was running perfectly.

So the Railroad Club guy shows up and we get started.  My approach for visitors who have no aviation experience is to first do a short hop flight from KRIC (the local airport here) to KDCA.  I typically have them hand fly the whole way at low altitude so they get a feel for the controls etc.  From KDCA we then do a typical autopilot procedure flight to KJFK.

So I have everything setup for the first leg and we are taxing out to the runway and what happens.....the flight setup in the CDU vanishes...poof...a complete flush!  Now that is something that has never ever happened on its own that way ever.  So a bit embarassed by it ...I quickly reload everything.  All is fine again and we make it to KDCA.

Then we embark on the second leg and what happens.... 10 minutes into the flight P3D does a "P3D is not responding" and craps out.  That ends the evening.

Nonetheless the guy was impressed enough that I did get agreement to do the presentation.

Now...this is not the first time this sort of thing has happened with visitors...why the heck is that?

BTW...When I do the presentation I am going to have a signup sheet for the guys who would be interested in having a ride. Hopefully that will interest at least one or two in cockpit building, but I will also be hitting these guys up for donations come WorldFlight week.  Just an idea to raise a little extra cash.

Fred K
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 06:11:41 PM by FredK »
Boeing 737NG-800, Prepar3D v3.35, Sim-Avionics, WideView multi-channel (curved screen), Optoma 1080GT projectors (3), Fly Elise warping, FSGRW weather, FDS OH panels and CDUs, SimParts MIP, FDS SysBoards (OH), CPFlight MCPPro and pedestal panels, FI Gauges, converted motorized TQ (SIOC), Weber seats

Offline Bob Reed

  • Administrator
  • I am chained to this website!
  • *
  • Posts: 2,164
  • Karma: +10/-0
  • Bob the Builder!
  • First Name: Bob
  • Home Location: Holley, New York
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 06:14:58 PM »
My brother and I where just having this conversation. His hobby is home theater and he has a decent setup. He says he can watch 100 movies with no issues. Invite some friends over to watch a movie and bam.. 5 minutes in the thing crashes. lol We are not alone!!

Offline Flying_Fox

  • Forum GURU
  • *
  • Posts: 422
  • Karma: +0/-1
  • P3D / Win7-64 / FDS / 3 x Optoma GT1080
    • My build blog
  • First Name: Nick
  • Home Location: Halifax, Canada
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2017, 12:30:48 PM »
This even has the scientific definition as "visit-effect".  :idiot:

Offline tennyson

  • Forum GURU
  • *
  • Posts: 478
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Aviation Enthusiast
  • First Name: Frank
  • Home Location: Brisbane, Australia
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2017, 06:43:26 AM »
Ok, so just to round things out, I have persevered and finally sorted nearly all my current issues.

I'm back up and flying again and intend to stop installing and just fly for a while.

It's nice to sit back and finally concentrate on flying, operating procedures and practicing skills already learned.

Terrific feeling....



Frank

Offline Trevor Hale

  • Administrator
  • I am chained to this website!
  • *
  • Posts: 3,299
  • Karma: +19/-0
    • Cockpitbuilders.com
  • First Name: Trevor
  • Home Location: New Liskeard, Ontario
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2017, 07:44:16 AM »
 :cheers: Good to hear Frank...  That's the way it should be..
Trevor Hale

Owner
http://www.cockpitbuilders.com

Director of Operations
Worldflight Team USA
http://www.worldflightusa.com

Offline Bob Reed

  • Administrator
  • I am chained to this website!
  • *
  • Posts: 2,164
  • Karma: +10/-0
  • Bob the Builder!
  • First Name: Bob
  • Home Location: Holley, New York
Re: Frustration to the limit!
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2017, 04:04:49 PM »
I have been enjoying flying mine as well. So much so, I do not want to do some of the work that requires me to take the sim apart enough that I cannot fly it!  :-\

 

COUNTDOWN TO WF2018


WORLDFLIGHT TEAM USA

Will Depart in...

Recent Posts

Flyengravity order process
by Skysurfer170
[Today at 09:06:28 AM]
FDS-O2 Panels For Sale!!! Realiable Realistic Panels!!!
by KyleH
[Today at 07:01:13 AM]
Opencockpit Indicator Boxes (in US?)
by Nolatron
[November 21, 2017, 05:14:26 PM]
A320 of Fcoq
by Fcoq
[November 21, 2017, 03:00:10 PM]
Simkit flaps
by jackpilot
[November 21, 2017, 02:19:35 PM]
Ok to use only 2 of 4 fastners on crosstube bearing.
by kurt-olsson
[November 21, 2017, 07:57:19 AM]
Worldflight 2017 Conclusion
by Trevor Hale
[November 21, 2017, 07:16:44 AM]
Wooden overhead frame
by Jimmerrelie
[November 20, 2017, 08:49:22 PM]
737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
by kurt-olsson
[November 20, 2017, 04:07:23 PM]
Another 737 builder :)
by kurt-olsson
[November 19, 2017, 09:08:20 AM]
Home Built Full B737-200 Sim for Sale - Richmond, BC Canada
by Bob Reed
[November 17, 2017, 10:03:12 PM]
Down memory lane - What was the first home cockpit SIM you saw?
by RayS
[November 17, 2017, 02:59:17 PM]
New supplier for your sim
by Fcoq
[November 17, 2017, 02:44:35 PM]
Oh Boy!!
by Bob Reed
[November 17, 2017, 01:37:54 PM]
FDS Shell Black or Raw Aluminum
by bernard S
[November 16, 2017, 06:15:12 PM]
B737 Startswitches
by archen
[November 16, 2017, 12:17:22 PM]
Worldflight Perth Crew news
by Trevor Hale
[November 16, 2017, 07:21:04 AM]
Jorge from NAVCOM
by Caflyt
[November 15, 2017, 04:50:25 PM]
Wanted 5inch screen
by fsaviator
[November 14, 2017, 08:41:16 PM]
737 FWD Overhead Switch Diagram
by MistyBlue
[November 13, 2017, 10:16:15 AM]
Sim out of the hangar
by Fcoq
[November 13, 2017, 10:05:13 AM]
Question for those that have converted real TQs
by mickc
[November 12, 2017, 02:47:54 PM]
Hey - PFD/ECAMS TFT
by BGStudios
[November 12, 2017, 01:22:55 PM]
Camera setup?
by Trevor Hale
[November 12, 2017, 07:48:26 AM]
Sim Progress (BAe146)
by Erj145sim
[November 11, 2017, 08:28:20 PM]
Where to order custom metal rod with predrilled holes.
by bernard S
[November 11, 2017, 11:48:38 AM]
737NG Single Seat Trainer "Starter Kit" :-)
by Captbrian
[November 10, 2017, 08:30:12 PM]
B737 DIY Gauges servo gears ??
by mickc
[November 10, 2017, 07:52:07 PM]
Delta 209
by blueskydriver
[November 10, 2017, 07:06:30 PM]
WorldFlightUSA - UAL 1120 Schedule
by Trevor Hale
[November 10, 2017, 03:53:00 PM]