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Online Ed

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WidevieW
« on: July 13, 2017, 03:07:19 PM »
Hi Everyone,

This question is kind of aimed at the WidevieW gurus in the forum. My forum searches haven't been able to find a whole lot of info on the topic. I'm currently reading the FAQ's on the WV homepage and have also printed out the manual for WV to readup on.

I think WidevieW at this time is my only viable option with P3DV4. From what I understand, the free clients with P3DV4 are related to  Professional Plus, and that's just too rich for my budget and also, from what I've read, there are still many issues with multichannel networks with this version.

I don't qualify for Academic licenses , so for 3 to 5 licenses for Professional, I'm looking at 600 to 1000 USD , also a steep option..but doable.

I've read somewhere that each PC in a network can output more than one view. Has anyone tried this with any kind of success?  This would certainly cut down on the amount of licenses a person would need.



Ed
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Offline navymustang

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2017, 03:23:44 PM »
You will need to describe a bit more about your configuration. Are you having a host machine drive client visuals? How many client PCs and are they connected to monitors or projectors.

Then - for example, are you wanting to drive multiple projectors / monitors from a single client PC?  Such as 4 views with 2 client computers driven by a host.

Then we can give you a better answer.

Thanks
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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2017, 09:47:19 PM »
You can produce as many views as you want per Client(or Server).
eg 3 PC's-3 Views,
3PC's-6 Views, 7,8,9,10...as many as want with in performance constraints of course.

Nat

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2017, 02:59:16 AM »
Ed,
On my sim, the main Pc produce the front view, and a client produce the right and left view.
My conf :
Server : server fsx, server wideview, a320 fmgs
Client 1 : fsx, wideview
Client 2 : a320 fmgs, sioc, ...
Fps : 30 ( limited) almost all the time

Michel
4970k, 2600k, i7 920, XP pro 64, FSX and A320 FMGS, 3 views on 3 vdp with wideview, 180 deg screen

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 02:12:27 PM »
You will need to describe a bit more about your configuration. Are you having a host machine drive client visuals? How many client PCs and are they connected to monitors or projectors.

Then - for example, are you wanting to drive multiple projectors / monitors from a single client PC?  Such as 4 views with 2 client computers driven by a host.

Then we can give you a better answer.

Thanks

Hi Jim,

Currently I run a 3 PC network, each with their own static IP. A W10 I7 6700K @ 4.8 runs my forward view on a 60" TV GPU is a GeForce GTX 770. This PC also runs Prosim Server , Prosim MCP, ASN, RAAS Pro, Accufeel ,GSX and UT2.

C2 is an older W7 I7 920 at 2.8 or something close..not at PC.  GPU is an Nvidea 610. It drives my Capts display, Upper and Lower EICAS and forward Overhead panel (Prosim)

C3 is a P4 running W10 with an older GPU. Runs PSU, IOS ,CDU, PFPX,TopPCAT and drives my aft Overhead (Sismo Hardware).

I lock my FPS to 30 and I pretty much have that anywhere I fly.

I would like to add 4 more views through WidevieW using this configuration, which would then only require 3 licenses of P3DV4. 

So ultimately using 5 views with 3 PC's.
Ed
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Online Ed

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 02:24:07 PM »
You can produce as many views as you want per Client(or Server).
eg 3 PC's-3 Views,
3PC's-6 Views, 7,8,9,10...as many as want with in performance constraints of course.

Nat

Thanks Nat. Yes, the big thing here is performance without a doubt. Anything 30 and above is very fluid..beneath that the stutters seem to happen quite frequently.

 So this confirms multiple views with each client using Wideview. Exactly what I wanted to know.
Ed
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Online Ed

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2017, 02:34:33 PM »
Ed,
On my sim, the main Pc produce the front view, and a client produce the right and left view.
My conf :
Server : server fsx, server wideview, a320 fmgs
Client 1 : fsx, wideview
Client 2 : a320 fmgs, sioc, ...
Fps : 30 ( limited) almost all the time

Michel

Hi Michel,

It sounds like your network is similar to mine. I was hoping to do 5 views with a 3 PC network. 30 FPS sounds pretty good with 3 views. It could be that trying for 5 views might be biting off more than I can chew.

Can you give me your specs for your server and clients..  OS, CPU and GPU?

Thanks for your input.
Ed
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http://www.737ngxca.com/

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2017, 03:12:19 PM »
Ed,
My server : 2600k, radeon 7970, w7 64 bits
The fsx client : 4970k, radeon r9 290, w7 64 bits

Today, you can obviously improve that a little ; but i am quite sure you can produce your 5 views with 3 pc ; if you can read french, look at http://www.aircockpit.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=4715&p=69513#p69513

Michel
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Offline navymustang

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 06:29:18 PM »
One of my delivered projects was a CRJ-700. There I had five views on a single PC driving 4 projectors.  Using dual NVidia cards

High end everything, but able to maintain 25 to 30 FPS.
Building a full scale 737-800 AATD for home use. Majority of hardware is from Sismo Solutions, software is Prosim under P3D.
Please note that I am a self-employed professional cockpit builder that provides consulting to defense contractors and civilian schools and airlines.

Online Ed

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2017, 04:18:34 PM »
Ed,
My server : 2600k, radeon 7970, w7 64 bits
The fsx client : 4970k, radeon r9 290, w7 64 bits

Today, you can obviously improve that a little ; but i am quite sure you can produce your 5 views with 3 pc ; if you can read french, look at http://www.aircockpit.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=4715&p=69513#p69513

Michel

Hi Michel,

My specs are similar to yours.. so I should be able to make it work with at least 3 views. my GPU I will upgrade soon..  waiting for prices to come down a bit.
Great link. Learned a few more things. Sadly I do not read French..but did manage to glean some info from the PDF and much of it can be translated through Google.

It seems that your client is more powerful than your server PC. Is this the best way with WideView? I have it opposite, my two clients are less powerful than my server.

Do you think it's necessary to use software like Fly Elise to sync the views when using WidevieW with TV screens ?

Thanks for your comments Michel,




Ed
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Online Ed

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2017, 04:27:14 PM »
One of my delivered projects was a CRJ-700. There I had five views on a single PC driving 4 projectors.  Using dual NVidia cards

High end everything, but able to maintain 25 to 30 FPS.

Hi Jim,

That's quite impressive to get 5 views through one PC and still maintain 25 to 30 fps. That's definitely flyable.  It also goes to show that 5 views through 3 PC's is very doable. I could add more PC's to the network, but then more licenses needed so dont really want to go beyond 3. Perhaps as the CPUs and GPUs  become more advanced...might be able to get away with 2 PC's. As it stands I have 3 that are reasonably stable so will stick with that setup for now.

Thanks for your comments Jim.
Ed
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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 04:45:38 AM »
Hi Ed,

yes, the client is more powerful than the server because it have a double load (2 views) ; the balance betweeen the PCs can be touchy, but it seams that it is quite important to have all the views "delivered" at the same framerate (limited fps) to ensure a correct sync ... the subject can be tricky, so it is really necessary to have a deep read of the documentation, and specialy of the part dealing with tuning.

If you use TV screens, fly elise is not necessary ; fly elise is needed when you have to apply some geometric correction, for instance when you project a fsx view (wich is intended to be projected on a flat screen) on a cylindrical screen (that cause à distorsion on the edges of the image).

Michel

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Re: WidevieW
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 01:44:31 PM »
Hi Michel,

Hi Ed,

yes, the client is more powerful than the server because it have a double load (2 views) ; the balance betweeen the PCs can be touchy, but it seams that it is quite important to have all the views "delivered" at the same framerate (limited fps) to ensure a correct sync ... the subject can be tricky, so it is really necessary to have a deep read of the documentation, and specialy of the part dealing with tuning.


Hmmm..  going to require some experimentation to balance master and clients in order that each PC will be capable of delivering the FPS asked of it.

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If you use TV screens, fly elise is not necessary ; fly elise is needed when you have to apply some geometric correction, for instance when you project a fsx view (wich is intended to be projected on a flat screen) on a cylindrical screen (that cause à distorsion on the edges of the image).

Michel

Thanks for this info. One less software to worry about. I will be using all 60 inch screens. In the meantime, will try to get my eyes on as much documentation as possible.
Ed
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