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Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 06, 2015, 05:39:47 AM
Hi!

I thought i should start this thread so i can keep track of all my progress and my images.

My build is targeted to be "budget with no compromises" =)

Some things i can´t build myself or get the panels for, so i just have to buy them. I think now these items will be:

Used TQ throttle
Seats
Yokes

Function is will take care of later:
Yaw damper, Authothrottle auto disengage.
Startswitches 46% disengage.

But all the other items i plan to make from Simworld Panels.
I have seen lots of panels, but i think they are among the best i have seen.
And the support from that company is great, very nice people!


So first off:

I wanted to start with the hardest part, because if i could do this i think lots of other things will be easy.
My build is based on Lots of Arduino MEGA cards and X-Plane 10.
The communication is based on COM port with Serial communications and a small program that i made in C++ for talking to X-plane.
The architectural build is done, so i just have to continue refactoring and make more datarefs handeling in the program.


Part 1:

MCP Build

I ordered the Simworld MPC panel, looks great.
I have some CTS 288 rotary encoders (i had to drill in the backpanel to make them fit)
I have ordered some knobs from acvdesign (custom drilled to fit the CTS 288), havent recieved them yet, think i will hava a problem with the length of my encoders being to long. =( need to cut them or replace them.

For the Korry switches i did something cool. I used 2x2 black Lego bricks. Becuase of the ring in the middle it cuts the lights from the display text and the Led engage light.

I have ordered the switches aswell for the Flight Directors and the Autothrottle. I have also ordered lots of MAX7219 LED display to use for this MCP. Right now the display is RED bur i will try to find some White leds later.

Anyway sofar i have this:
(http://mcp1.jpg)

(http://korry lego.jpg)



Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 06, 2015, 02:33:37 PM
Just ordered the MCP knob set, should be EIPC. Just hope that i don´t have to cut the rotary encoder rods... =(
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on September 06, 2015, 08:30:35 PM
Awesome work!  I'll be watching your progress.

 Question, is there a reason you didn't go with Teensy line of products with native X-Plane support?  Way more powerful than the mega.  Just curious.

Rob
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 07, 2015, 06:31:58 AM
Awesome work!  I'll be watching your progress.

 Question, is there a reason you didn't go with Teensy line of products with native X-Plane support?  Way more powerful than the mega.  Just curious.



Rob

Hi and thank you.

Haha i just got the feeling that i missed something with the teensy board! ;)

But i like the idea of having total control of the code both on the arduino and my c++ program, my plan is to support both the 737-200 flyjsim, x737 and the upcoming ixeg 737.

With that in mind i like the controlled code. Arduino has lots of good libraries also for led and encoders.

But i will definently look at the teensy card, my impression was that the arduino mega was more powerful.

I havent started to solder yet so i can still switch cards, i will do more resource of the teensy.

Thanks for input.

By the way, love your 737-200 sim. I admire your electric skills to get all those gauges to work. Looks amazing! The -200 cockpit is amazing, i like it better than the -800 due to more "manual".
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 07, 2015, 06:47:14 AM
New autothrottle and flightdirector switch plus the three microbuttons for intervenes just dropped in today. Tonight there will be some soldering i think.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 07, 2015, 06:49:35 AM
This is one fat switch. Just hope that my arduino card van read it? Where is the ground? Only two connectors!??? Why?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on September 07, 2015, 07:46:34 AM
That switch is what they call a SPST or single throw single pole sw.  Just hook one side to the arduino gnd and the other to your input pin.  You can tie all the your switch grounds together to one point to make it easier.

Thanks for the kind words on my -200 sim  :)

As for the Teensy, it uses Arduino code so you full control over them as well.  ;)  Just no need to write the interface between it and x-plane as that part is done. Is is an I7 compared to a PentiumI when you put it next to a Mega ;)

Rob
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 07, 2015, 09:32:53 AM
Ah. Thanks for the switch info, that saved me lots of google-time. =)

I have looked at the Teensy X-Plane API and it looks that i have written 99% same library! haha =)

The teensy card look really good, but i also like the connectors on the arduino that dont require the soldering, i saw that you can add adapters for it to make it the same, but i will continue with the arduino cards i have right now and see what the future has to bring. =)



Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 08, 2015, 12:53:08 AM
Ok, i am switching to the teensy board! More power same sketches and libs as the arduino and a complete api to talk and read x-plane!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: RayS on September 08, 2015, 01:38:39 AM
I'm also switching to the Teensy board for X-Plane... Seems to be the way to go over Arduino.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on September 08, 2015, 10:30:46 AM
The really cool thing about the Teensy is that you can disconnect it during a flight, re flash, plug it in and it works immediately! Very handy when fine tuning code as no need to reboot the sim.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 08, 2015, 12:06:48 PM
Ah your kidding me! No restart of the simulation!!!  ;D ;D
My project time was just cut by 70%!

Just ordered two teensy 3.1, one with pins and one without!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2015, 06:39:19 AM
My Project took a a real hit yesterday.

My soldering skills.... oh my god are they bad or are they bad? I doubt i will be able to solder all things together...  :(

should i use Heatsink for the resistors + Led. And how do i summon all the ground wires easily.

I would like to have some "ground-metal-rail" on my cardboard that i can connect all my cables to...

I would like to post my soldering, but you would laugh so hard that i wont post anything. =)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on September 09, 2015, 08:28:01 AM
We all have to start somewhere Peter!

Just get some cheap components and practice.  There a lots of good Youtube videos out there that teach you how to solder.
After a while you will get the hang of it!

My first attempt at soldering looked like a bird had taken a metallic shit on the board :(

A common method for ground wires it to connect them from one component to the next in a daisy-chain fashion, so you have one wire that goes from switch to switch instead of individual ground wires to each of them.



Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: RayS on September 09, 2015, 01:20:22 PM
Soldering skills.... It does take practice....

http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-SP3B-Practical-Soldering-Project/dp/B0002LUALG (http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-SP3B-Practical-Soldering-Project/dp/B0002LUALG)

As you build you'll notice an exponential accumulation of wires that need to be grounded or otherwise connected to a power source.

I have about 12 of these in my sim:
(http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_wiring/block.jpg)

They work beautifully.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2015, 01:24:12 PM
Thanks for your kind words!

-"My first attempt at soldering looked like a bird had taken a metallic shit on the board" HAHAHAHA I laught so hard i almost wet my pants! Metallic shit! heheh

Ah smart! connecting all the ground component by component seems easier than my "rale-thing".

By the way. My Teensy 3.1 is now installed and all the libs in place. Got the sample sketch up and running in 5 minutes!
Grade sofar 5/5.

Looks like the FlightControls is running async on its own core, that was my next step in my API that i was coding. Luckily i was told to try this instead! =)

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2015, 01:26:00 PM
That looks really nice RayS!


Even if its not so "nice" soldering i want to be sure nothing breaks after a while.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2015, 01:27:47 PM
Disaster hehe
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: RayS on September 09, 2015, 01:50:46 PM
You can see here in the bottom center the power distribution. After it is all said and done I am still in a bit of shock at how many terminations there are to power!
(http://anthonyscottphotography.com/img/s12/v176/p433557612-6.jpg)

It has:

2 Ground rails
1 5vdc "Always On" rail
1 12vdc "Always On" rail
2 12VDC "Switched" power rails (Only 'on' after I turn on the BATT switch)
1 5VDC   "Switched" power rails (Only 'on' after I turn on the BATT switch)

The switched rails are controlled by a relay card that uses TTL logic inputs.

The workflow for the BATT switch:

BATT switched connected via joystick card directly to X-Plane (Leo Bodnar's BUX card) --> XPUIPC connected to X-Plane --> RUSCOOL's 64-Output card --> Turns on Relay channel on Relay driver card --> connects 12vdc power to Rail(s)

Seems convoluted. Why not just use the switch itself to provide power to the 12VDC rails? I tried that but I also wanted the systems logic that turns on other related systems within the aircraft (Like flaps won't work unless BATT power is on)

Another thing to keep in mind is current draw. Make sure those primary power cables are thick enough to handle the load. Also make sure your power supplies are beefy enough. I've blown up more power supplies than I care to admit because I underestimated power requirements.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2015, 03:12:57 PM
Looks like a very clean setup! Great work! I think i am getting some progress, cutting the length of resistors and going component by component with the ground!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
Two hours later...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 15, 2015, 04:58:59 PM
Some new stuff came in the mail today. Lots of max7219 drivers and also my mcp buttons from lima,Peru!
Will have to sand the buttonholes abit then they will be perfect. One bad thing was that the vs wheel was to big! It will not show so much and will be hard to scroll... :(

The last hurdle now is the leds... It will be a pain-in-the-beeeep to extend 12x6 cables... And i also have to mount the leds somehow...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 15, 2015, 05:03:23 PM
Current status
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: RayS on September 16, 2015, 01:21:22 PM
Will have to sand the buttonholes...


...for some reason I read that a little different. Need more coffee :-)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: RayS on September 16, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
The last hurdle now is the leds... It will be a pain-in-the-beeeep to extend 12x6 cables... And i also have to mount the leds somehow...

Have you entertained using a stock Printed Circuit board? That might make for a better MCP backer and allow you to mount LEDs the way they need to be.

Maybe something like this...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/121447132127?clk_rvr_id=897557081744&item=121447132127&lgeo=1&vectorid=229508&rmvSB=true (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/121447132127?clk_rvr_id=897557081744&item=121447132127&lgeo=1&vectorid=229508&rmvSB=true)

Then you could terminate all connections on your MCP with an IDC male plug, then simply attach a ribbon cable that also connects to your controller card.

http://www.protostack.com/connectors/idc/idc-male-connector-shrouded-header-10-pin-right-angle-leads (http://www.protostack.com/connectors/idc/idc-male-connector-shrouded-header-10-pin-right-angle-leads)

I also use wire-wrap wire for interconnecting components on a board such as the MCP. You could use thin-gauge wire such as 22AWG stranded, but in the end, wire-wrap wire makes for a much cleaner layout and fewer solder blobs.

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/8031 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/8031)



Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 16, 2015, 03:45:47 PM
Will have to sand the buttonholes...


...for some reason I read that a little different. Need more coffee :-)

Hahaha sand the buttholes!!!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 16, 2015, 03:50:38 PM
Rays:

I looked for that pcb material but i didnt know the name for it. Wish now that i had seen it earlier...
I will try to implement next module with both the pcb and the wires you linked. It will also be easier since the mcp is so wide, other modules will hopefully be smaller size.

Thanks for your tips, really appreciate it!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 16, 2015, 04:05:13 PM
Leds installed but not wired.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 21, 2015, 03:33:46 PM
Knobs and vs wheel installed!Just the autopilot disengage left and then all the components is mounted.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 05, 2015, 03:34:48 AM
Finally my mcp is coming to an end! Thanks to the forum i switched to usw awg22 cables and that + serialconnect all the grounds was the final solution. Everything is in place, just nedd to hook up the microcontroller and make led extensions to the max7219 drivers.

I ordered the mcp and afis casings + the efis panels from simworld today!

This project is having momentum right now!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Trevor Hale on October 05, 2015, 07:45:24 AM
Great Job Kurt, Looks awesome.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 05, 2015, 04:39:59 PM
Great Job Kurt, Looks awesome.

Thanks!

Ive got all the buttons and some leds connected to the teensy! Need to buy some more wires before i can finish it off
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 11, 2015, 03:22:15 PM
Its alive!!!!

Its so coooool! First time i have flown a hardware mcp. All buttons and switches work.
More ledsdisplay to finish and then final moment of the backlight.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 11, 2015, 03:24:08 PM
i probably will need to put some ducktape around the leds and buttons do prevent light-bleeds. but thats a small problem.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on October 11, 2015, 09:54:49 PM
Very Cool!  Are you using your Teensy for the LED Displays as well?  For a few dollars in chips it could drive all of them off of 2 pins! :) 

Rob
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 12, 2015, 01:15:22 AM
Very Cool!  Are you using your Teensy for the LED Displays as well?  For a few dollars in chips it could drive all of them off of 2 pins! :) 

Rob

Yepp! Teensy here to!
I am using the max7219 driver that you can serial connect, it has a din, clk and load pin. So three pins to rule them all! (Lord of the rings) hehe

I really like the part where i can upload to teensy without restarting the sim. Its pricelesd.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 22, 2015, 09:32:35 AM
Update!

Pheeew. Lots of new stuff. Every single button and switch is now mapped and the last thing to do is the backlight multiplexing including the leds for the button titles.

One really negative thing with this mcp is that its more challeging to solder and fit tight components than actually hook it up. I hope this will be the most tightspace module on the 737, otherwise i probobly will give the hobby up... :(

Well enough of that, my leds are installed but it resulted in a strange problem with that the last daisy chained max7219 is loosing power and is unreliable.
If i skip the first three max7219 the last one shines strong and reliable so i think it is a power/daisy chain problem.

Anyone have experience with more than 4-5 max7219 in a row?

This is the problem:
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 22, 2015, 04:40:14 PM
Solved the LED problems.

https://forum.pjrc.com/threads/28526-Teensy3-1-losing-my-application

It turns out when, manually booting, the Teensy is really fast so the instanciating of the LedControl is "sortof" working. But if i put a deplay for like 1 sec and then reassign them afterwards then the MAX7219 works stable with all the serial connections. (now 6 of them)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Trevor Hale on October 23, 2015, 07:55:01 AM
Least you didn't have to tear it all apart to try to locate a problem that wasn't there.  Glad you solved it. ;D
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on October 23, 2015, 08:20:09 AM
Great JOB!!!  I may hit you up help with coding when I get to that point in the future.  I have some LED displays on my CIVA i will need to interface at some point.

Rob
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 23, 2015, 01:07:51 PM
Thanks for the comments!  :)

I will be glad to help. The max7219 drivers with the ledcontrol library is supereasy. Just use print digital or chars on an indexed array with nr of devices and position of what led to write to.

It will be super for your CIVA that also includes lots of dots and both N and S,W,E if i am remembering correct.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: RayS on October 23, 2015, 03:58:46 PM
I'm using that chip for my COMM/NAV radio project. Can't wait to see it in action!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 18, 2016, 04:19:49 PM
Update!!!

My MCP Has started to get a complete update!

After gaining some experience in building an MCP, i removed all the wires and started from scratch!!!

What i didnt like with my old setup and how i am improving it.

Wire mess: wires right to left, now i will use two teensy, one for right cables and one for left cables. That way it will be more clear of space.

cable thickness: i used too thick cables, multithreads cables, very hard to solder and thick cables makes it tought to get some space to see anything after a while with lots of cables. Now i use superthing singlethread cable which is sooooo easy to solder!

ground: i used to go component by component. But this way it is much harder to find ground errors, bad solderings or a broken cable.
Now i wire all components with its own ground cable and then use a PCB Board to connect them, it will still only be one ground cable to the teensy board.


Max7219 cables: a mess with hardsoldered wires. Now i use a connector, that way i can remove the cables if i need to search for other errors or resolder other things. without being able to remove these cables i cannot do anything without burning the cables with the solder-tool.

Finally, i will order white Leds from Ebay. If the Simworld panel is that great, i really need to have the white leds like in the real MCP.

When i use the smaller cables, it will be easier also to attach the LED-strip that will work as backlight.

Some picture to show my mess. =)
 

My EFIS Panels are in the works aswell. Will post new update when i have installed the 3mm Leds.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 18, 2016, 04:22:02 PM
Also. i will use Dupont cables and connectors. I have bought a tool for this. So no more taping the extensions! This makes the wires have exact length to the teensy board as well.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: RayS on January 18, 2016, 05:17:19 PM
If you have to run several dozen, or even hundreds of wires in a small space, I use wire-wrap wire. Best thing out there for miniature work.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 19, 2016, 03:22:36 AM
If you have to run several dozen, or even hundreds of wires in a small space, I use wire-wrap wire. Best thing out there for miniature work.

Searched some youtube videos on that tool, looks nice and handy!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 24, 2016, 03:00:12 PM
Pheew

All wires now with correct color codes, some left to do but man, this turned out 200x better than my old mess. Now i have full control of maintenance if some problems occur.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 28, 2016, 04:40:24 PM
Pain in the a**...

Drilling holes in a rotary switch is NOT fun...

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 23, 2016, 03:07:15 PM
Speachless... I can just sit and look at it for hours...
NEVER experienced quality like this in a product. The switches and everything is so robust.

First mission is to create a fourth leg since it got chopped! Need to secure it in a wooden plate so there is no risk of tipping.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 28, 2016, 01:20:38 AM
The build continues...
Bought myself a 737-300 throttle quadrant.

Step 1 : clean it. I will remove aa much as i can but will not dissassembly the whole quadrant.
I also have to make a temp stand for it since the leg was cut to agressivly.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 28, 2016, 12:22:25 PM
Parking brake set! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 28, 2016, 05:18:36 PM
More stuff cleaned and removed!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: xplanematt on March 29, 2016, 02:35:02 AM
AWESOME, there is nothing like real aircraft parts. :)

Matt
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 30, 2016, 05:01:20 PM
Captains a/t disc and toga at your service working with the x737! Hehe
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 09, 2016, 05:40:18 AM
While waiting for some motor parts, i am starting to setup a "final solution" with a adafruit pcb. Really great board. I will solder some connections right to it, but i got to test the screw-connectors and they work great.

A/t disc -both sides complete
Toga both sides complete
Fuel cutoff idle -both complete.

Still to hookup the trim switches and fuel cutoff "off mode".
Add the parkingbrake test switch and i think all switches are done.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on April 09, 2016, 11:18:46 AM
Hope you didnt solder that Teensy in directly?  Always use a socket.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 09, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
Actually i did solder the pins. Is that a bad idea? This will be a permanent solution. Now that i think of it, it would be a problem though if the teensy brake. The replacement will almost be impossible...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on April 09, 2016, 01:34:07 PM
Actually i did solder the pins. Is that a bad idea? This will be a permanent solution. Now that i think of it, it would be a problem though if the teensy brake. The replacement will almost be impossible...

Exactly, trust me, i learned the hard way.  Stuff happens and they don't like voltage higher than 5v or they go poof!   Need to keep them easily replaceable 
Rob
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 09, 2016, 01:36:54 PM
Guess i also will learn the hard way. :)
Next board and Teensy i will definently use a socket for it.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 10, 2016, 10:27:42 AM
This will be my drive for the throttles.
Lots have changed to string pots, but for the price, i want at least try this solution.

The gear thats driving the chain is still missing
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 11, 2016, 04:55:08 PM
While waiting for parts i am continuing on my mcp backlighting. Not fun at all and superhard to get even lightning in the simworld panel.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: gkkes on April 12, 2016, 03:02:46 AM
Really great thread to follow. Thanks for loads of practical advise.

Would it be more practical to push wires into the Adafruit board from below, solder from above and then trim any excess? This might help wire distribution, access and air distribution. Easier to get to the teensy as well.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 12, 2016, 09:13:59 AM
Thanks for your kind words.

Yes, it would be easier! Hehe i will def do it on my next board. You learn something every day.

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on April 12, 2016, 09:37:36 AM
This will be my drive for the throttles.
Lots have changed to string pots, but for the price, i want at least try this solution.

The gear thats driving the chain is still missing

Cheap String pots that we use, work great

http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-2674.htm (http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-2674.htm)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 12, 2016, 09:40:26 AM
Cool, i wonder if anyone had tried these ones.

Then i will use them for my speedbrake and Flaps to begin with. (if not my setup works like a charm =))
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on April 12, 2016, 09:50:42 AM
How many turns is the pot that are using in the pic you posted?  It looks like a standard pot?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 12, 2016, 01:44:51 PM
1 turn only, its a panel pot. If i cant use it due to gearing or too large movement i will switch it for a normal pot and calculate the movement and position in the software. The sim will always boot up with throttles at idle.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 13, 2016, 02:31:51 PM
I knew it!
Replacing the red segment displays to white like the real boeing made a great improvement.

The backlighting is a P A I N!

Dont think i will improve it if its not good, its just tooo tight of space in the mcp!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 14, 2016, 12:58:04 PM
Bullseye!

This will be my main setup!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 14, 2016, 03:41:36 PM
Powerrails setup and led display cables completed!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 15, 2016, 04:39:29 PM
Half mcp completed.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 30, 2016, 05:08:51 PM
Theottle progress!
Left lever is moving.

Right now with my gearing and 9v battery it takes about 6sec from idle to full power. Hope to get extra speed with the 12v power supply.

My main problem now is the wires. I need one with a steel ball that locks into the levers. Right now i tied a knot, but i dont think its working that good.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: XOrionFE on April 30, 2016, 06:28:22 PM
Kurt, when I did mine I used a cable ferrule from Home Depot(see attached picture..you would just use the single barrel one).   You just smash onto the cable with a hammer.  You can then tap on it to shape it more ball like and will do the trick.  Make sure to safety wire it in place like the original ball was so it doesnt pop out of the slot..

Scott

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on April 30, 2016, 08:36:40 PM
You can get the correct balls for the cable from Aircraft Spruce 
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa110.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa110.php)

You would need the SA110-3 as the bore in the thrust lever cable wheel is 1/4"

This will need to be swaged onto the cable (or you can smash it with a hammer, as Scott suggested :)   I tried with a hammer, but  these balls are quite solid and i couldn't get it to grip properly.

Any marine/boat repair place should be able to swage the ball onto the cable for you if you mark where it has to go.

That being said, there's obviously lots of ways to do it, I initially used cable stops like these:

(http://contentinfo.autozone.com/znetcs/product-info/en/US/drm/03336/image/2/)

I was worried they could come loose though, and that would mean a whole lot of disassembly and tightening, so I went for the solid option.


I guess a $1 ball getting shipped to Europe is another thing to consider, but you could be able to find them locally.  I got mine from Aircraft spruce as I ended up ordering a complete new set of screws/nuts/bolts etc to re-assemble my TQ as a lot of the heads were starting to round off and I wanted it to look as new as possible after the time & money invested :)

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Goodenough on April 30, 2016, 11:23:15 PM
I know I can't add to this post and have already asked if there were any MCP builders out there...but just wanted to say by reading your posts here on theB737 MCP I'm learning more about building your own MCP...so thanks
Perry
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 01, 2016, 03:08:03 AM
Thanks Scott and Mickc. I think i will try to head down to our local marine-shop and see if they can help me out.

Feels like the best option is the solid mounted solution.
Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 01, 2016, 03:14:16 AM
I know I can't add to this post and have already asked if there were any MCP builders out there...but just wanted to say by reading your posts here on theB737 MCP I'm learning more about building your own MCP...so thanks
Perry

Yeah, this forum is the key for progress. I watched Scotts youtube-clip of the throttle conversion like 200 times before starting the work of mine.

I cant imagine what James Price and the other went through building the sim in 2002 without an existing forum for help! Hehe
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: navymustang on May 01, 2016, 08:23:44 AM
Peter - not sure if you have these numbers: Throttle lever movement is 13.5 degrees / second. So a full throttle from idle takes 4.4 seconds.
Jim
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 01, 2016, 10:41:53 AM
Peter - not sure if you have these numbers: Throttle lever movement is 13.5 degrees / second. So a full throttle from idle takes 4.4 seconds.
Jim

Thanks, i knew it was about 4 sec but not the exact numbers. Thanks!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 19, 2016, 02:45:26 PM
Opencockpit korrys installed! For anyone who is building a mcp, BUY these korrys!!! :)
Much much better finish than DIY and really easy to connect.
I doubt if i can remove the ring on these buttons without braking them so be sure to install them correct!

I got my VOR LOC switch with faulty text so i am waiting for them to send me a new one.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 28, 2016, 10:21:17 AM
Update!
Put a few hours in today for a new backlight tactic, and this time it was an epic win!using acrylic to mount encoders and be able to fit the ledstrip on the front. It will stick really great on this material.

Hopefully this will be the end of the mcp build soon! :)

Bad thing is that i glued some encoders on the efis panel and cut the shafts too short so i need to buy 4 new ones...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 30, 2016, 03:09:58 PM
New plan for backlight!
Skip the ledstrip because its to messy and hard to mount.

I will make a thin pcb board with bulbs that will go direct into the panel.
I have drilled 3.0mm x 3,5 mm holes in the back of my mcp panel.

Came reeeeeealy close to drill through the panel once but luckily i didnt... :)

Hope the bulbs are wide-angle, because i think that is one key for good backlight.


Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 31, 2016, 04:09:20 PM
New polyclutches...

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 06, 2016, 01:46:47 PM
Was on an Ryanair flight yesterday and got a chance to talk to the pilot for 5-10 minutes after we landed.

This resulted in motivation bump! Man, the cockpit of the real 737 is a beauty.

Work continues on the throttles...

Issues now.

1, dont know how the levers resistance is in the real aircraft. I need to tighten my polyclutches preeeety tight to be able to pull it back from full power to idle.

2, need an aligned dc motor shaft that supports the "end shaft" mine is made of another engine-mount and some plexi. But i need something that aligns it 100%.

3, steel ball of cables. I will bite the bullet and order some steel ball for the cables for 1,5 dollars each and the shipping is 45 dollars!!! ????
But this is so important for the feel.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: fordgt40 on June 06, 2016, 02:38:55 PM

Issues now.

1, dont know how the levers resistance is in the real aircraft. I need to tighten my polyclutches preeeety tight to be able to pull it back from full power to idle.



Info here

http://www.737flightsim.com/737PushPull.html (http://www.737flightsim.com/737PushPull.html)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 06, 2016, 02:46:06 PM
Coool! Maybe i can use my weight handle for my travelbags! Thank for the link!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 06, 2016, 03:02:41 PM
i pull around 3pounds now and that is no problem for my clutches to bring the levers up from idle. Maybe i can tighten it some more to be around 4 pounds when i install the correct steel cables and ball
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 06, 2016, 04:19:07 PM
Just ordered the steel ball for the wires. 30euro in total for 8 quantity. Pretty ok avtually.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 15, 2016, 05:15:03 PM
75% of the mcp backlight done.
Dont think you can do better than this on the simworld panels.

Tried both paint the backside and drill holes in the panel but that did hardly improve anything.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 21, 2016, 04:20:50 PM
Looks like MCP version 2098.45 is a keeper. Only took a year! :)
Advise: Do NOT build the MCP yourseft, do all other panels, but not the mcp. Too much frustration and the cost for this ended up on 800 euros with all rebuilds.

Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on July 03, 2016, 06:09:21 AM
Hi Peter, you have been too quite lately. Did you test your MCP with  x737?
Have you been able to use the avionics directly without having to use a suite?

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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 04, 2016, 12:24:59 PM
Hi Peter, you have been too quite lately. Did you test your MCP with  x737?
Have you been able to use the avionics directly without having to use a suite?

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Hello my friend! I am just about to put in an update! :)
The MCP is all done mounting and about 70% programmed (that part is easy)

Found out that arduino sketch has support for operational conditions!!! That reduced all my code by 40%. Hehe

Efis is also getting some update, still problem with some mounting but i am glad i have solved my main connection solutions by using terminals, soooo stable! :)

Also i now use aircraftbulbs with psu for backlight, so that task is also completed.

I run my mcp with the x737, works like a charm. But i think the x737 has some strange behaviour with its autopilot, but thats on the plugin side.

I am thinking about hooking the IXEG 737 up since the autopilot is the same on the 300 model.

If you want the code i can mail you.

Cheeers!

Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on July 04, 2016, 02:31:22 PM
Thanks Peter, once you are finished it would be nice to get the code. Keep us posted about your progress

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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 04, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
LEFT MCP Completed (without the led connected, but the code is there)

Still some more to optimiza and refactor within the code. But this is a good start. Lots of repetitave code that makes it easy to understand.

#define ENCODER_OPTIMIZE_INTERRUPTS
#include <Encoder.h>
#include <Bounce.h>
#include <LedControl.h>

LedControl LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG = LedControl(23,45,44,2);

//Static Text Leds on the Buttons integrated with Backligh value.
int LED_BUTTON_TEXT_N1 =     27;
int LED_BUTTON_TEXT_SPEED =  26;
int LED_BUTTON_TEXT_VNAV =   24;
int LED_BUTTON_TEXT_LVLCHG = 25;
int LED_BUTTON_TEXT_HDG =    14;
int LED_BUTTON_TEXT_APP =    15;

int LED_FLIGHT_DIRECTOR_CAPTAIN = 5;
int LED_AUTOTHROTTLE = 13;

//Engage Leds
int LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_N1 = 6;
int LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_SPEED = 39;
int LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_LVLCHG = 41;
int LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_VNAV = 43;
int LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_HEADING = 8;
int LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_VOR = 16;
int LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_APP = 10;

int LED_BACKLIGHT = 35;

long encodervalue_speed_prev = 0;    // for detecting rotary position change
long encodervalue_course1_prev = 0;    // for detecting rotary position change
long encodervalue_heading_prev = 0;    // for detecting rotary position change

Bounce SWITCH_AUTOTHROTTLE = Bounce(20,5);
Bounce SWITCH_FLIGHT_DIRECTOR_CAPTAIN = Bounce(4,5);

Bounce PUSH_BUTTON_SPEED_INTERVINE = Bounce(21,5);
Bounce PUSH_BUTTON_CO_INTERVINE = Bounce(22,5);

Bounce BUTTON_N1 = Bounce(7,5);
Bounce BUTTON_SPEED = Bounce(38,5);
Bounce BUTTON_VNAV = Bounce(42,5);
Bounce BUTTON_LVLCHG = Bounce(40,5);
Bounce BUTTON_HDG = Bounce(9,5);
Bounce BUTTON_APP = Bounce(11,5);


//SE TILL ATT INTE DE LÖDA SLADDARNA ÄR NÄRA VARANDRA, DÅ KOMMER SMÅ STRÖMÖVERFÖRINGAR SKE!
Encoder ENCODER_COURSE_1 = Encoder(1, 0);       //INTERRUPT
Encoder ENCODER_IAS = Encoder(3, 2);       // INTERRUPT
Encoder ENCODER_HDG = Encoder(18, 19);  //INTERUUPTS

FlightSimFloat XPF_MCP_IAS;
FlightSimFloat XPF_MCP_COURSE_1;
FlightSimFloat XPF_MCP_HDG;

FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_SWITCH_FDA;
FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_SWITCH_AUTOTHROTTLE;

FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_BUTTON_IAS;
FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_BUTTON_N1;

FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_LED_SPEED;
FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_LED_N1;
FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_LED_FDA;
FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_LED_LVLCHG;
FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_LED_VNAV;
FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_LED_HDG;
FlightSimInteger XPI_MCP_LED_APP;


void setup() {
 
  Serial.begin(9600);
  SetButtonStaticLeds();
  SetButtonEngageLeds();
  SetButtons();
  SetLedDisplayPins();
  SetXPlaneRef();

   LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG = LedControl(23,45,44,2);
   //Shut off all the digits in the beginning.
   for(int index=0; index < LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.getDeviceCount();index++) {
      LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.shutdown(index,false);
  } 
   //Set the custom Intensity, for every Digit the intensity drops.
  LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setIntensity(0,3);   
  LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setIntensity(1,3);   

}


void loop() {

  FlightSim.update();

  long enc_course1 = ENCODER_COURSE_1.read();
  if (enc_course1 != encodervalue_course1_prev) {
    XPF_MCP_COURSE_1 = XPF_MCP_COURSE_1 + (enc_course1 - encodervalue_course1_prev);
    encodervalue_course1_prev = enc_course1;
   
  }
 
  long enc_speed = ENCODER_IAS.read();
  if (enc_speed != encodervalue_speed_prev) {
    XPF_MCP_IAS = XPF_MCP_IAS + (enc_speed - encodervalue_speed_prev);
    encodervalue_speed_prev = enc_speed;
  }
 
  long enc_heading = ENCODER_HDG.read();
  if (enc_heading != encodervalue_heading_prev) {
    XPF_MCP_HDG = XPF_MCP_HDG + (enc_heading - encodervalue_heading_prev);
    encodervalue_heading_prev = enc_heading;
  }

  UpdateButtons();
  DrawButtonStaticLeds();

  if (SWITCH_AUTOTHROTTLE.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising A/T\n");
    XPI_MCP_SWITCH_AUTOTHROTTLE = 0;
    digitalWrite(LED_AUTOTHROTTLE,LOW);
  }

  if (SWITCH_AUTOTHROTTLE.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling A/T\n");
    XPI_MCP_SWITCH_AUTOTHROTTLE = 1;
    digitalWrite(LED_AUTOTHROTTLE,HIGH);
  }

   if (PUSH_BUTTON_CO_INTERVINE.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising COInt\n");
   }
   
  if (PUSH_BUTTON_CO_INTERVINE.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling COInt\n");
  }

  if (BUTTON_N1.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising BUTTON_N1\n");
   }
   
  if (BUTTON_N1.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling BUTTON_N1\n");
    XPI_MCP_BUTTON_N1 = (XPI_MCP_BUTTON_N1 == 0 ? 1: 0);
  }

  if (BUTTON_SPEED.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising Speed_Button\n");
  }
 
  if (BUTTON_SPEED.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling Speed_Button\n");
    XPI_MCP_BUTTON_IAS = (XPI_MCP_BUTTON_IAS == 0 ? 1 : 0);
  }

   if (PUSH_BUTTON_SPEED_INTERVINE.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising SpeedIntervine\n");
  }
  if (PUSH_BUTTON_SPEED_INTERVINE.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling SpeedIntervine\n");
  }
   if (BUTTON_VNAV.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising VNAV_Button\n");
  }
  if (BUTTON_VNAV.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling VNAV_Button\n");
  }

    if (BUTTON_LVLCHG.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising LVLCHG_Button\n");
  }
  if (BUTTON_LVLCHG.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling LVLCHG_Button\n");
  }

   if (BUTTON_HDG.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising HDG_Button\n");
  }
  if (BUTTON_HDG.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling HDG_Button\n");
  }

   if (SWITCH_FLIGHT_DIRECTOR_CAPTAIN.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising Flight_Director_Captain\n");
      XPI_MCP_SWITCH_FDA = 1;
   }
   if (SWITCH_FLIGHT_DIRECTOR_CAPTAIN.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling Flight_Director_Captain\n");
    XPI_MCP_SWITCH_FDA = 0;
   }

    if (BUTTON_APP.risingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Rising APP_Button\n");
   }
   if (BUTTON_APP.fallingEdge()) {
    Serial.print("Falling APP_Button\n");
   }

}

void SetXPlaneRef() {
  XPF_MCP_IAS = XPlaneRef("sim/cockpit2/autopilot/airspeed_dial_kts_mach");
  XPF_MCP_IAS.onChange(Update_MCP_Speed_LedDisplay);
  XPF_MCP_COURSE_1 = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/MCP/OBS1_value");
  XPF_MCP_COURSE_1.onChange(Update_MCP_Course1_LedDisplay);
 
  XPF_MCP_HDG =  XPlaneRef("sim/cockpit2/autopilot/heading_dial_deg_mag_pilot");

 
  XPI_MCP_SWITCH_FDA = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/afds/fdA_status");
  XPI_MCP_SWITCH_AUTOTHROTTLE = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/athr/athr_armed");
  XPI_MCP_BUTTON_IAS = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/athr/MCPSPD_mode");
  XPI_MCP_BUTTON_N1 = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/athr/N1_mode");

  XPI_MCP_LED_SPEED = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/MCP/LED_MCPSPD_on");
  XPI_MCP_LED_SPEED.onChange(Update_MCP_LED_SPEED);
  XPI_MCP_LED_N1 = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/MCP/LED_N1_on");
  XPI_MCP_LED_N1.onChange(Update_MCP_LED_N1);

  XPI_MCP_LED_FDA = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/MCP/LED_FDA_MA_on");
  XPI_MCP_LED_FDA.onChange(Update_MCP_LED_FDA);

  XPI_MCP_LED_LVLCHG = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/MCP/LED_LVLCHG_on");
  XPI_MCP_LED_LVLCHG.onChange(Update_MCP_LED_LVLCHG);

  XPI_MCP_LED_VNAV = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/MCP/LED_VNAV_on");
  XPI_MCP_LED_VNAV.onChange(Update_MCP_LED_VNAV);

  XPI_MCP_LED_HDG = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/MCP/LED_HDG_on");
  XPI_MCP_LED_HDG.onChange(Update_MCP_LED_HDG);

  XPI_MCP_LED_APP = XPlaneRef("x737/systems/MCP/LED_APP_on");
  XPI_MCP_LED_APP.onChange(Update_MCP_LED_APP);

}

void UpdateButtons() {
  SWITCH_AUTOTHROTTLE.update();
  SWITCH_FLIGHT_DIRECTOR_CAPTAIN.update();

  PUSH_BUTTON_SPEED_INTERVINE.update();
  PUSH_BUTTON_CO_INTERVINE.update();
 
  BUTTON_N1.update();
  BUTTON_SPEED.update();
  BUTTON_VNAV.update();
  BUTTON_LVLCHG.update();
  BUTTON_HDG.update();
  BUTTON_APP.update();
}

void SetLedDisplayPins() {
  pinMode(44, OUTPUT);
  pinMode(13,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(5,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(39,OUTPUT);
 
}



void SetButtonStaticLeds() {
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_N1,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_SPEED,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_VNAV,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_LVLCHG,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_HDG,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_FLIGHT_DIRECTOR_CAPTAIN,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_APP,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_LVLCHG,OUTPUT);
}

void SetButtonEngageLeds() {
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_N1,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_SPEED,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_LVLCHG,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_VNAV,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_HEADING,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_VOR,OUTPUT);
  pinMode(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_APP,OUTPUT);
}

void SetButtons() {
 pinMode(22, INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(21, INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(20, INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(19, INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(18, INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(4,  INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(5,  INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(11, INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(12, INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(7,  INPUT_PULLUP);
 pinMode(42, INPUT_PULLUP);
}

void DrawButtonStaticLeds() {
  analogWrite(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_N1,LED_BACKLIGHT);
  analogWrite(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_SPEED,LED_BACKLIGHT);
  analogWrite(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_VNAV,LED_BACKLIGHT);
  analogWrite(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_LVLCHG,LED_BACKLIGHT);
  analogWrite(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_HDG,LED_BACKLIGHT);
  analogWrite(LED_BUTTON_TEXT_APP,LED_BACKLIGHT);
 
}



void Update_MCP_Course1_LedDisplay(float value) {
 
  int course1_value = value;
  String course1_string = String(course1_value);

  if (course1_string.length() == 1) {
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setDigit(0,6,0,false);
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setDigit(0,5,0,false);
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(0,4,course1_string[0],false);
  }
  else if (course1_string.length() == 2) {
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setDigit(0,6,0,false);
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(0,5,course1_string[0],false);
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(0,4,course1_string[1],false);
  }
  else if (course1_string.length() == 3) {
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(0,6,course1_string[0],false);
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(0,5,course1_string[1],false);
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(0,4,course1_string[2],false);
  }
}

void Update_MCP_Speed_LedDisplay(float value) {

  /*lc1.setChar(1,1,'0',false);
  lc1.setChar(1,2,'1',false);
  lc1.setChar(1,3,'2',false);
  lc1.setChar(1,4,'A',false);*/
   
  //if (ALPHA VALUE) {
    LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(1,4,'8',false);
  //}
  int speed_value = value;
  String speed_string = String(speed_value);
  LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(1,3,speed_string[0],false);
  LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(1,2,speed_string[1],false);
  LED_CONTROL_COURSE_IAS_HDG.setChar(1,1,speed_string[2],false);
}

void Update_MCP_LED_SPEED(long value) {
  digitalWrite(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_SPEED, value == 0 ? LOW : HIGH);
}

void Update_MCP_LED_N1(long value) {
  digitalWrite(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_N1, value == 0 ? LOW : HIGH);
}

void Update_MCP_LED_FDA(long value) {
  digitalWrite(LED_FLIGHT_DIRECTOR_CAPTAIN, XPI_MCP_LED_FDA == 0 ? LOW : HIGH);
}

void Update_MCP_LED_LVLCHG(long value) {
   digitalWrite(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_LVLCHG, value == 0 ? LOW : HIGH);
}

void Update_MCP_LED_VNAV(long value) {
  digitalWrite(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_VNAV, value == 0 ? LOW : HIGH);
}
void Update_MCP_LED_HDG(long value) {
   digitalWrite(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_HEADING, value == 0 ? LOW : HIGH);
}

void Update_MCP_LED_APP(long value) {
  digitalWrite(LED_BUTTON_ENGAGEBAR_APP, value == 0 ? LOW : HIGH);
}







Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 04, 2016, 02:46:34 PM
Actually, now i recommend a mcp build. Supernice finish, total control of code and hardware and platform independant.

I am superproud of this one! Hehe

Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on July 04, 2016, 03:51:05 PM
The backlight looks superb.
I think I have an OEM switch for the A/T from Microswitch


Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 04, 2016, 04:21:04 PM
The backlight looks superb.
I think I have an OEM switch for the A/T from Microswitch


Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

Ooouh, that means i have to remove the knobs and the buttons to be able to remove the current switch =) hehe

I am thinking of looking after a solenoid switch, of all the magnetic switches the A/T is the most important.
My wallet is kind of busted right now, but if its still available i might give you an offer =)
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on July 05, 2016, 05:44:50 AM
Peter, send me a PM in the next days, let me grab my toybox.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 06, 2016, 08:55:35 AM
This cable is 2mm, boeing original is like 2,3 and i ordered also 3mm, but that was too thick to fit the steel ball.

I tried smashing it on with a hammer on my 2mm cable. I thought it was a failure because it twisted the cable, but it actually worked really nice because twisted it locks in better.

Now i have to figure out how to use steelwire around the balls??? Its really tight so i dont know how to wrap it around... Hm...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 06, 2016, 10:20:25 AM
Final setup of left throttle including cable. Polyclutches rules! So easy to test the tension between push/pulls.

If anyone have an idea of how to attach steelwire on the steelball let me know! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on July 06, 2016, 11:54:40 AM
I used a split lead fishing sinker and squeezed it all around the cable then used a punch to seat it in the cable drum.  Worked like a champ.   It takes a special tool to crimp that steel ball to the cable..
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 06, 2016, 01:30:44 PM
I used a split lead fishing sinker and squeezed it all around the cable then used a punch to seat it in the cable drum.

cool! I might have tried that if i know it existed fishingtools like that. Nice
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 06, 2016, 01:31:40 PM
It takes a special tool to crimp that steel ball to the cable..

Or a good old hammer! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 06, 2016, 01:38:51 PM
Ordered up 3x of these babies!

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/bourns-inc/3590S-6-103L/3590S-6-103L-ND/1088594 (http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/bourns-inc/3590S-6-103L/3590S-6-103L-ND/1088594)
I will use sprockets to get the values instead of stringpots.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: quid246 on July 06, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
I will have to google for pictures on all those toolwords, dont know the english word for them hehe

I believe it's a "ball swaging" tool... as inappropriate as it sounds.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 07, 2016, 12:52:46 AM
I will have to google for pictures on all those toolwords, dont know the english word for them hehe

I believe it's a "ball swaging" tool... as inappropriate as it sounds.

Hahaha Thanks for the info.
I was impatuence to go to the local marine shop. These tools cost alot of money, so for my purpose i think the hammer works well, even if the ball didnt get perfect size or deformation after.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 08, 2016, 07:46:44 AM
QUALITY!!! :)

Finally my throttles can be moved in x-plane aswell!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 08, 2016, 12:20:48 PM
Analog values are now mapped to N1 0-110 value.

Next up is manipulate the dataref...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 17, 2016, 04:45:11 PM
Just one more max7219 connect and the VS encoder and the MCP is complete!!!!
I have seen some companies put a cover for SPeed intervene and Alt intervine. I think thats cool and makes a few button less to interface. Anyone know if the major airlines cover them today?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 18, 2016, 09:48:28 AM
Moving on!
EFIS backlight!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 18, 2016, 05:49:07 PM
2 hours and 20 bulbs later.
After this backlight i have descided to go Simworld 100% panels. They are beautiful in daylight and with enough bulbs the backlight looks amazing!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: RayS on July 19, 2016, 01:44:07 AM
Nice job!! Love how that EFIS looks.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 19, 2016, 02:46:56 AM
Thanks Ray!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 19, 2016, 05:03:49 AM
Home Made is the EFIS brand hahaha!

90% done. Backlight is fantastic in daylight even! So happy with the backlight! With my mcp i did the mistake of having to large gap between the bulbs... But i dont have the energy to disassembly it one more time, it will do for some years anyway.

I like the "worn look and feel" so i have to imagine some of the bulbs gone out. Hehe

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 22, 2016, 11:15:56 AM
Capt EFIS almost done. The buttons came out really really BAD!!!

The finish and feel is aweful but itl have to do untill i find a complete "efis button" Always when you try to make your own buttons they come out cheap and bad feel (at least for me. These has leds behind them so they should light up when backlight is on

I replaced my drilled rotary with an E37 Elma dual just because the feel of my switch was so bad.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 22, 2016, 11:30:14 AM
With painted buttons...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 24, 2016, 03:01:34 PM
Well well well... Look what the cat dragged in!

Including the steeringboxes!!!!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 27, 2016, 05:16:21 PM
Murphys law!

The motor rotated the faulty mounted shaft so it twitched some degree, that made both the sprocket and the two mounts to heat up and get stuck!
I also suceeded to bend the plate while trying to get them disassembled.

40 bucks down the toilet...

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 30, 2016, 05:47:02 PM
Mcp completed! Last led installed today!

Some programming left but not much.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 01, 2016, 01:51:25 PM
Hahaha such a hazzle!

Look at the worlds ugliest resistor ladders and also the cut rotary switch so the buttons could fit!

Yeeuuck! Dont want to do another!!! But wait... How many are in the 737...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mikeybear on August 02, 2016, 05:48:51 AM
Peter,

I've used these to tidy my resistor ladders, they used to be available as a pcb only, but alas no more, which was useful for me as I used them with 8 way rotary switches for my transponders .
I think I had to solder a wire on to one of the pins to get this to work as I required three connections for the resistor ladder.

http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=98_100&products_id=207 (http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=98_100&products_id=207)

Regards

Dave

added the link that got lost
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 02, 2016, 09:23:10 AM
Did you attach something? i cannot see any image or like of the resistor ladder?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on August 02, 2016, 12:53:12 PM
whats the resistor ladder for?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 02, 2016, 03:05:42 PM
Its for the efis range mode. They have 7 modes, and i use teensy 3.2 that has not enough inputs if connecting one by one on the range.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 02, 2016, 04:44:42 PM
Right EFIS rack mounted
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on August 02, 2016, 06:35:37 PM
Its for the efis range mode. They have 7 modes, and i use teensy 3.2 that has not enough inputs if connecting one by one on the range.

Don't ever let me catch you doing that rubbish again!  ;) ;D

The Teensy is so powerful you could MUX your entire MIP, AP, and Radios on one 3.2 Teensy!!!

Use these instead, Very handy and cheap!! I use them both and they work perfect. 

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9056 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9056)

http://macetech.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23 (http://macetech.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 03, 2016, 02:05:03 AM
Haha NOW i know what was on your custom PCB board in your latest video!
Will probably contact you and order some of those when my teensys run out!

Cool, thanks Rob!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mikeybear on August 03, 2016, 02:24:57 PM
Did you attach something? i cannot see any image or like of the resistor ladder?

I've just added the link it got lost somehow :(

http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=98_100&products_id=207 (http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=98_100&products_id=207)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 10, 2016, 03:57:40 PM
Second motor installed!

Thought it would take 15 min, it took 2h before everything was mounted.

Still need ti install the cable. But not tonight! :)

Man, the TQ has been so much fun so far!!!!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: XOrionFE on August 10, 2016, 04:17:23 PM
Not to mess you up Kurt but did you measure the width from side to side with those motors to make sure they will fit within a pedestal.  The NG pedestal gets more narrow at the bottom so even though 3 bays wide it is tighter at floor level.  If using a 2 bay gets even tighter.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 10, 2016, 05:28:55 PM
Your right, i am aware of the problem after i bought the motors. Sadly there is nothing i can do about it except build my own square radiobay. If just build as a box the motors will fit

In some areas i have to compromise :(
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: XOrionFE on August 10, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
No worries

This hobby is all about compromises.  You could still build the box to fit but make the very back end few inches have the bottom profile and nobody would ever know the wiser.  That is one of the benefits to building some things yourself.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 11, 2016, 01:55:54 AM
Yeah, thats a really good idea
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 11, 2016, 04:50:07 PM
15 min turned out to be 2hours again :)

Had to disassembly the fairings to be able to get the cable throught the front opening.

Now is left to figure out a good setup for my gears and pots.

Question to all with real TQ, do you use existing cables for 5v backlight? Thinking of cutting them and make my own system...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 16, 2016, 03:23:13 PM
My new "old" 600 dollar joystick!
Seller had it setup in a sim, will save me hours and loads of cash. This is pretty much just to setup and start fly! Hehe

The trip selector was busted in the shipping but will replace it with a cover.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 17, 2016, 04:08:37 PM
My other joystick recieved! The OEM stuff is really nice! Will have to wait untill i get a house with a basement first untill building floor and mount. But now the seats is the only oem item left for me to hunt down. But the seats will come when all other stuff is completed.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on August 17, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
Peter, check with Capt. Nick Louis from the Airline Pilot Historic Society, got my IPECO's from him.

Cheers
Luis
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 18, 2016, 06:33:07 AM
Lots of nice seats. Will have to build up my wallet first. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 18, 2016, 02:42:39 PM
More work on the throttle. Final setup of the potentiometer.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 28, 2016, 01:11:28 PM
WOW!!!

The OEM backlight is amazing!
So smooth and even!
Cant understand that the bulbs is still working after so many years
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: XOrionFE on August 28, 2016, 10:28:16 PM
It may be the camera but that looks really bright.  Are you using 5 vdc?   Dont use higher than that or you will burn it up.

Scott
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on August 29, 2016, 08:46:39 AM
Cant understand that the bulbs is still working after so many years

These bulbs (type 6832) are rated for 100,000 hours of life, most of the ones i have repaired are usually a dry solder joint, not the bulb itself.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 29, 2016, 09:54:49 AM
It may be the camera but that looks really bright.  Are you using 5 vdc?   Dont use higher than that or you will burn it up.

Scott

Camera issues, 5V it is. But i agree, thought it should be more "red". Looks pretty yellow without camera aswell.

I use my pc psu 5v cables.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 07, 2016, 02:58:30 PM
New stuff in the mail today!

OEM ftw!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 07, 2016, 03:15:56 PM
One more image!

Santa-Clause from Canada is awsome! :)

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: XOrionFE on September 07, 2016, 10:25:31 PM
Looks like you scored some nice panels!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 08, 2016, 12:49:29 AM
Looks like you scored some nice panels!

Yeah, really nice shape they are in.
My goal is to have the same overhead as yours. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 08, 2016, 01:00:19 AM
By the way. All the korry switches are smooth as kittens except one.

Do you think it is a good idea to put just a tiny drop of oil in the switch?
And should i do that to all switches? (That is toggle)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on September 08, 2016, 07:04:18 AM
Definitely would not use oil on the switches!

Most of the toggle switches will be sealed anyway.

You should use a switch cleaner/lubricant designed for the purpose
I use this, you should be able to get something similar over there.

https://www.blackwoods.com.au/part/03065243/crc-2001-switch-cleaner-lube-aero-300gm (https://www.blackwoods.com.au/part/03065243/crc-2001-switch-cleaner-lube-aero-300gm)

With the Korrys, you can just pull the switch head straight out and clean it up.  A little dry silicone lubricant on the sides of this part works well.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 08, 2016, 06:01:58 PM
Thanks for the tip mick!

Aaaahhh the great feeling of putting in 3 solid hours of work on the throttle quadrant and end up in a worse state than when you started!
Sometimes i hate this hobby! :(
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2016, 03:21:44 PM
Progress!!!

Same amount of evil yesterday the same amount i pushed forward.
Throttle engines and clutches remounted in better positions and also potentiometer with sprocket to read flaps.

The real aircraft has resistance, but i like the feel of flaps without any so i keep it this way. I might add a clutch if i want more tension.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 11, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
Uln2803a testing.

The orange and black cable is overkill, the yellow cable said "poff"! Quite the smokecloud! Hehe. I knew it before i turned the power on but still had to test it...


I need a good awg size for 5v and 12v and 28v with max 2,5 amps and not longer than 20cm...

The boeing cables are 28v and still very very thin! Must be excellent heatshield in those cables.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 12, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
Uln2803a rocks!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 13, 2016, 04:03:32 PM
Let there be backlight!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 13, 2016, 04:07:14 PM
I decided to cut out all the stuff from the panels i dont need.
First i didnt want to due to the masterpeace of installation from boeing, but then i figured, this part will never fly again, and i want a clean setup with the IO card inside and a nice panelmounted usb, 5 and 28v and ground connector.

So i took the plunge...

I need to figure out how to remove the korrys so i can setup with clean cables with exact length i need and thin canples for pushtest.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 14, 2016, 02:09:57 PM
New panel arrived!

Upside down without gauges, but hey! 100$!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 14, 2016, 03:09:20 PM
Cables cut and identified. Keeping some extra cables if my current ones fails.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 20, 2016, 03:17:25 PM
Moment of truth...

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 20, 2016, 03:35:52 PM
Bingo!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 20, 2016, 04:42:25 PM
12v or 28v and ground + usb cable. Thats it!
All mapped and interfaced. Glad i decided to put the io card inside!

Anti ice panel complete with push to test function on the korrys!



Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 20, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
Oh yeah
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 22, 2016, 01:39:00 PM
Ah man! i love the x737!!!
it has a float value of 0.0 to 1.0 of the announciator brightness!
it will be supereasy to map it with my uln2803a driver!

godspeed the x737!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 22, 2016, 03:49:10 PM
Actually 0.0 to 2.0...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 24, 2016, 05:15:36 AM
Work continues!
After the smokefest yesterday i made custom duponts with the original boeing cable, so now i know the awg is ok!

The anti ice i tear apart evrything, but i will change the approach and use the current connectors. Drawback is that the teensy is on the back, but no more hassle with the wires.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 26, 2016, 12:11:43 PM
Flight recorder arrived today! Aft overhead 80% complete.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 26, 2016, 03:18:09 PM
Ladies and gentlemen...
We have ourselves a moving left throttle...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 26, 2016, 03:43:25 PM
Created a youtube channel to keep track of progress.

http://youtu.be/6Yvud2szk9Y (http://youtu.be/6Yvud2szk9Y)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 27, 2016, 06:04:50 AM
Finalizing wire setup for the throttle pots and motors
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 27, 2016, 08:20:27 AM
Both throttles moving...
http://youtu.be/e87ZMwemau4 (http://youtu.be/e87ZMwemau4)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 27, 2016, 02:26:35 PM
IRS selector position two pin multiplex code is cracked!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 29, 2016, 03:14:07 PM
Parking brake logic using 2-channel relay.

http://youtu.be/F5afL8BZGwo (http://youtu.be/F5afL8BZGwo)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 03, 2016, 12:14:24 PM
if i would use fsx instead of x-plane we could now hear my final words before OOM fatal crash! Hehe
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on October 03, 2016, 12:38:14 PM
You can get the pointer of the gage move full deflexion by applying a tiny voltage switched by the test button.
 :D
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 03, 2016, 12:45:49 PM
You can get the pointer of the gage move full deflexion by applying a tiny voltage switched by the test button.
 :D

Cooooooool!

 I didnt even think i could implement this, only the two buttons.
Will use pwm and see if i can simulate some movement. Thanks Jack!

It would be cool to use a sound-sensor and map it to the volume!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 05, 2016, 03:09:36 PM
Fuel idle positions
Parking brake switch
Speed brake solution
Horn cutout switch
Trim wheels ( i am not sure if i want to implement this noisy stuff)
Trim indicators.

Thats it! Rest of the switches and funtions are connected.
I am starting to see the end of the tunnel for the tq.

Loads of fun.

For the parkingbrake i will implement flaps2approach solution. I will not implement push rudders to release, maybe if i get some rudders. Hehe

The speedbrake will be tricky. Need motor and clutch for this one i think. If i use servo i cant move it manually...

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 25, 2016, 01:31:30 PM
Building is standing still, a newborn and no more time. But i am still collecting oem stuff for the future when i get more time.

Today i got some nice panels from my friend in Canada.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 03, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Circuit board will look like this + a mosfet to drive the backlight (todo)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 03, 2017, 09:16:54 AM
Board connected to panel. Unfortunatly i could not remove the long metalbar, the oem screws are impossible to loose. Big problem i dont know how to solve yet.

I will use a 3-pin DIN contact on the back later.

I think this worked out pretty good.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Trevor Hale on January 03, 2017, 09:25:28 AM
Pretty Cool.  As for your issue with the seized screws.....  (Grinder works ha ha ha ) Just kidding.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 03, 2017, 11:45:09 AM
Pretty Cool.  As for your issue with the seized screws.....  (Grinder works ha ha ha ) Just kidding.

Thanks LOL! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 04, 2017, 03:03:24 PM
Fmc face OEM arrived. Will be a challange to interface and also replace a broken exec button...

I know at least 3 bulbs are broken in the lightplate...

Not very good condition but hey! Its OEM!

Will fit a lcd screen in the back. If anyone know a 44pin connector that fits, let me know.
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: paulnd on January 04, 2017, 06:18:44 PM
Hi,

I now regret starting a similar project recently and have almost given up.

Perhaps your circuit board is in a better condition but the one which I bought had several of the foil domes which are the switch contacts broken or missing. These cannot be repaired or replaced and even one broken switch renders it pretty much useless.

I then had to design, etch and solder a replacement circuit board, I'm now using the 5th replacement board. Although the buttons close to the edges work, buttons in the centre don't due to flexing of the circuit board and I'm trying to find a way to make it more rigid and get the spacing between the buttons and circuit board and circuit board correct.

It is nevertheless interesting to see how the buttons are backlit as well as the general design of an OEM part.

I was also unable to find pinouts of the connector even with the assistance of experienced and knowledgeable forum members.

Paul


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 04:17:28 AM
Oops., that dont sound so good. :(

My plan is to:

1. See if i can just replace the exec button and interface via pins out.
2. Remove the circuit board and try to hook up the switches manually.
3. Remove all and even try to fit new buttons (or use the caps of the fmc). Maybe build custom backlighting if lightplate is broken (but dont think so)

I think my circuitboard is in pretty good shape but havent begun identifying pins with the multimeter yet.

How did you remove the circuitboard? Can this be done without braking it?

Usually the "homemade" stuff turns out bad and bying FDS would be better. But in my case i cant use FDS since i only use x-plane. Would like to see pins out on their plug n play. And this OEM cost me a 1/12 of their plug unit so i will at least give it a try.

Lets keep in contact if we find good progress. :)
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: paulnd on January 05, 2017, 04:30:33 AM
There are 2 circuit boards, the outermost is the backlight and the inner contains the membrane switches (I think that's the correct term). Both can be removed by undoing the tiny screws. Once the circuit boards are removed, you'll have the backlight "block" which is attached to the buttons.

Perhaps post a photo of the back to confirm that it's the same as mine.


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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 04:55:43 AM
Photos coming, will have to go away today but post as soon as i come home later.

Thanks Paul!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: bernard S on January 05, 2017, 08:48:49 AM
I am all for people using real parts ..so i will throw you a couple of bones to chew on.. you need the CMM  with IPL for this project .. here is publication number... C15-3641-044    pages 263-469 and pages 547- 1256 ..someone on here may have one they can share with you   have fun
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 11:22:10 AM
Thanks Bernard! I will see if i can make something out of it.
I took away the lightplate and was disappointed because i cannot use multimeters on the silver rails to identify the pins.

I would like to be able to remove the circuitboard and see how it looks.

If everything goes wrong i should be able to multiplex the buttons and still use the backlight.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: paulnd on January 05, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
if you undo the screws on the front holding the EXEC frame and the 2 annunciators (MSG, FAIL etc) then you should be able to remove the membrane switch circuit board.

There is nothing then holding the buttons and backlight "block" in place so be careful if you turn it over once the circuit boards have been removed.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 11:58:22 AM
Thanks. maybe i will be able to see how things are connected...

It would be cool to do a custom circuitboard and still use the lightplate and buttons...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 12:58:09 PM
Removed evrything.
One thing i dont understand is why some buttons have white round caps at the bottom and some dont?

The broken button seems impossible to fix, will prob have to replace it... :(

Pheww lots of work when aligning the buttons to fit them back again...

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 01:26:06 PM
Hm... this is going from bad to worse...

Fine fine mechanics in the oem stuff...

A small spring is holding up the plexi button-rod. Broken on the nr 4 button...

Even if i do some custom stuff, it must fit inside the fmc so i can close the lightplate...

Hm... i smell wasted money...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on January 05, 2017, 01:29:33 PM
3D printing ?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 01:41:49 PM
Back with a plan!

I am down to my last alternative: manual cables and new micro pushbuttons.
I will replace the springs with actual bushbuttons!
That way i can still insert bulbs and use the original "glass-holders" and "caps"!

The exec button will be replaced and also a new potentiometer.

Really hope there is a lcd screen that is right size! Maybe i can use the lightplate or i will have to manually indert the bulb in the board.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 02:07:45 PM
Ok, so there are tiny pushbuttons on the pcb, the white circle caps should be on all buttons, how on earth did they disapperar? That is why only 50% of the buttons click and the others dont...

Wonder if i could order spring, caps and pushbuttons from boeing? Haha

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: bernard S on January 05, 2017, 02:34:17 PM
nope   not Boeing.. but from Honeywell .. i tried to tell you what docs to get before you went diving in ... thats why i said try to get either CMM or IPC or IPL  for this project ... for the cost of replacement bits ..best buy a complete CDU its not a FMC   ;)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
nope   not Boeing.. but from Honeywell .. i tried to tell you what docs to get before you went diving in ... thats why i said try to get either CMM or IPC or IPL  for this project ... for the cost of replacement bits ..best buy a complete CDU its not a FMC   ;)

Those acronyms could as well be in greek language for me, dont understand any of them.
The CDU at swiss-sim is about 900$, i got this for about 150$ So there is lot to try before adding up to that price, but i do agree with you that it is best to buy complete stuff.

But i think i will actually get this to work! Some microswitches and new bulbs and a custom pcb should do the trick! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Trevor Hale on January 05, 2017, 02:47:57 PM
Can't wait to see you finish this.  "Don't let it beat you"   Unfortunately it will be loads of work though, but the reward will totally be worth it in the end.

Trev
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 05, 2017, 02:59:33 PM
Can't wait to see you finish this.  "Don't let it beat you"   Unfortunately it will be loads of work though, but the reward will totally be worth it in the end.

Trev

Well, my mcp took about a year and 1000$ so this should be 6months 500$ haha
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: bernard S on January 05, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
fair enough ..irs a challenge for sure
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on January 05, 2017, 03:22:29 PM
... thats why i said try to get either CMM or IPC or IPL  for this project ...

Those acronyms could as well be in greek language for me, dont understand any of them.


Bernard, Kurt has a good point
Whenever you try to help, just remember that most if not all of us are not familiar with those acronyms....explain and translate..a much  better way to get it through!!
Thank you.
Jack
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: bernard S on January 05, 2017, 03:31:14 PM
okay    CMM Conponent Maintence Manuel...  IPC   illustrated Parts Catalog...IPL..Illustrated  Parts List ... and lastly WDM Wiring Diagram Manuel ..in future i will expand on such terms    ..You can purchase these directly from component manufacturer..but bevwarned they are expensive and they are control documents so be prepared to jump through many many hoops to access them höpe this helps .. OEM parts can be troublesime without these documents
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 06, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
Fmc face completely disassembled. Will do some cleaning of all parts before assemblying. Lots of springs were damaged and the caps were missing in places so this unit was doomed from start to work 100%.

The OEM switch has about 5mm spring and a tacticle click when pressing it. I will replace them with tacticle switches, the length of the "momentum" of the button will be shortend but the click is the same. Much like the FDS plugnplay units.

The backlight is a pieace of art (or really not due to how complex it is)
Small holders in glass that projects light and the backlight that is painted black to absorb the light and amplify it where the buttons are.

Next up will be to test some other switches then drill a pcb board where my new switches will fit in the original pinholes.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 20, 2017, 12:28:24 PM
Now, thats what i am talking about!
Not 28v like spec but 24v will do!

Sooo cool to see the authentic light!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 28, 2017, 12:28:29 PM
New panels arrived from ebay.
Not good condition, but dirt cheap.

Let me know if anyone has a spare korry caps!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 09, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
One more important piece of the puzzle is solved!

Such a cool item!

Thanks to GLB!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 06, 2017, 11:32:53 AM
New panel!
Best shape i have seen. Cortesey of Canada! :)

Now, where do i find nice white caps?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on July 06, 2017, 06:07:39 PM
You can get the real ones from various OEM parts places, Boeing part number is 69-44578-2.

I got mine through Aerobase, cost around $3.50 each 2 years ago.

They have the correct bubble at the end and are easy to fit. 
Look just like the real thing because they are!


Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on July 06, 2017, 06:20:31 PM
Hi, Aerobase quoted me  14.50 USD each. If someone finds it cheaper I am also interested in getting 40 pieces.

Cheers
Luis
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on July 06, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
Luis was that a quote for one single one or did you get a quote for multiple items?

If you order more units the price becomes much cheaper.  My price was for a order of 80 units.
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on July 07, 2017, 11:36:58 AM
Thanks Mickc, I quoted 30 pieces. Will try with 80 units and report back. Peter, I could order even more and will ship it to Gothia


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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 07, 2017, 03:25:30 PM
Thanks mickc and Luis for the info. I will collect my three oem panels that is left for this project before i buy other stuff, but it is good to know where i might find them and partno.

Bu the way, mickc: it looks like from some photos that you probably have the most awesome 737ng sim on the planet. Do you have any videos of it?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on July 07, 2017, 05:49:40 PM
Mickc or Willows, do you have by chance the p/n for the white caps needed for the Honeywell interlocking switches.

Cheers
Luis
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on July 07, 2017, 07:23:46 PM

Bu the way, mickc: it looks like from some photos that you probably have the most awesome 737ng sim on the planet. Do you have any videos of it?

Lol, im sure there are better ones out there mate, mine is a product if a severe case of OCD and as WilloW calls it "Scope Creep"
No videos of it yet, im still building some sections before they all get put together.  There are a few videos of bits and pieces of it on Youtube/Facebook though.


Mickc or Willows, do you have by chance the p/n for the white caps needed for the Honeywell interlocking switches.

Cheers
Luis

Yes sir.
Honeywell part number is 15PA90-6W
These are easier to find/buy as you can get them through normal electronic distributors like Mouser, Digikey etc.   

I got mine from Online Components, and with the qty discount for buying 30 of them they were a little under $12 each.   
That price looks to be a bit under $15 now ( i got mine in late 2013)

https://www.onlinecomponents.com/honeywell-15pa906w.html?p=11913873 (https://www.onlinecomponents.com/honeywell-15pa906w.html?p=11913873)

Other places a quoting up to $44 each!

I used Online Components for all my Honeywell switches, caps and some guards too.

Remember to heat the old ones up before you try and take them off!!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 08, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
Hm... wonder how i can get rid of that upper "gap" between upper panel and the frame. Is this only covered in the -800 frame?

And also, how on earth should i bend back the two support structures at the back?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 08, 2017, 10:26:05 AM
Haha i see now there is a hole left! I can move the panels one more step! Hehe
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Ridgenj on July 08, 2017, 11:35:03 AM


Yes sir.
Honeywell part number is 15PA90-6W
These are easier to find/buy as you can get them through normal electronic distributors like Mouser, Digikey
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Many thanks Mickc!
Cheers
Luis
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 15, 2017, 01:40:16 PM
More OEM stuff.
The plan is to print master caution and fire  on the push-buttons.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on July 15, 2017, 05:44:05 PM
Hm... wonder how i can get rid of that upper "gap" between upper panel and the frame. Is this only covered in the -800 frame?
And also, how on earth should i bend back the two support structures at the back?

eBay auction: #263083560119

Saw them off
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on July 15, 2017, 06:41:19 PM
More OEM stuff.
The plan is to print master caution and fire  on the push-buttons.

Any plans on getting the Fire & M/C Lights to work as switches ?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 16, 2017, 02:02:01 AM
More OEM stuff.
The plan is to print master caution and fire  on the push-buttons.

Any plans on getting the Fire & M/C Lights to work as switches ?

Yes. These are push switches. So they have a circuit for it. The problem i might end up with is that the light needs 24v and if i push them, that circuit is the same as the light so i am afraid i might burn my teensy controller (max 5v).

But i am sure this could be solved with some kind of resistor etc...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 16, 2017, 02:33:45 AM

eBay auction: #263083560119

Saw them off

Not a bad idea at all!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on July 16, 2017, 05:09:22 AM
Yes. These are push switches. So they have a circuit for it. The problem i might end up with is that the light needs 24v and if i push them, that circuit is the same as the light so i am afraid i might burn my teensy controller (max 5v).

But i am sure this could be solved with some kind of resistor etc...

The ones you show in your pic are the standard annunciators, they have the push to test function that grounds the bulb to illuminate.
Normally terminal 1 (centre) is connected to 28v,
Terminal 2 is switched ground (to trigger the light)
and terminal 3 is constant ground for the self test.

The actual fire & MC ones have 2 separate microswitches attached to the back of them.

You can still do it with the ones you have but you will have to use an I/O card that accepts up to 28v and do away with the push to test.  The Phidgets 0/16/16 worked when I tried it, but as you say, you will need to interface it differently if you use Teensy.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 16, 2017, 08:46:34 AM
True true, i will also see if i can mount a seperate switch behind it that gets pushed by the rod itself. That way i still can use teensy and get the real feel of the oem push. I think i will try this approach first.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 16, 2017, 08:48:31 AM
By the way, if anyone knows how to open these buttons to change labels i would be in great thanks.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on July 16, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
By the way, if anyone knows how to open these buttons to change labels i would be in great thanks.

Pull off the cap and use a fine blade or screwdriver between the outer case and the square back plate and you can lever the plate out. 
Start on one of the sides that have the indents on them.

There will be a steel spring, glass diffuser and then the lens.  Careful popping it out, as they stick the the body and are easy to break.

When you reassemble, you may need to slightly compress the sides of the cap before putting it back together to give it some tension, when you open them up it slightly stretches the sides.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 16, 2017, 09:34:34 AM
Thanks Mick! Really appreciate your help.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 19, 2017, 01:31:29 PM
Oh my god... budget for 2017 is spent, pictures coming in about 10 days...

Its big, blue, has fur and lots of adjustments possibilities.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on July 19, 2017, 02:14:12 PM
Big, blue and furry? Did you just buy a MIP?  :)

Simworld, FDS, or did you go for CockpitSonic?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on July 19, 2017, 02:17:06 PM
BZZZ     Try again
(no fur on a MIP !)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on July 19, 2017, 02:29:37 PM
No fur on MIP? I always thought that stuff that covered the lower MIP edge was fur - my bad!    :laugh:


Big, blue and furry hmmm....Seats?  :laugh:
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 19, 2017, 03:19:26 PM
No MIP...

But it is something thats starts with I and ends with PECO...
Hahaha
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 08, 2017, 06:42:55 AM
Ipecos arrived!
Lot smaller and lighter than i thought!

Will unwrap the plastic once i have moved them to the house. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 08, 2017, 12:20:41 PM
Couldent help myself! :)
These are older Ipecos and both are FO seats.

Everything works on this chair except i cant raise or lower the seat.
It seems like the white pin is stuck and cant be pressed. Would be glad to get some instructions from other ipeco owners.

Other than that, great condition and i got them for a real steal price.

Thanks again GLB! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 08, 2017, 02:46:18 PM
The other seat is really easy to adjust height on so there must be something stuck in the other lever.

Will try to convert the FO to CO and see if i can find the problem aswell.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 12, 2017, 08:54:14 AM
More OEM.

Fantastic condition.

This is the last pieace for a long time.

I have about every oem except the pedestal.
So next i will begin to interface and build the 737 structure. Using mickeys flightdeck videos. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on August 12, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
 Suppose that you know you can get new white caps (They unscrew)
 ;)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 12, 2017, 12:36:58 PM
Yes box!

Actually, i think this is really important to get the newer NG style, but i will try to paint them first since they cost a good penny each :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on August 12, 2017, 01:39:03 PM
Yes box!

Actually, i think this is really important to get the newer NG style, but i will try to paint them first since they cost a good penny each :)

NG...since you scrap the logic boards...unserviceable parts are right for you - if you're serious about getting it NG...I'll try to see if I could direct you to the right guy or source you one myself.

Expect $500-$1000 for these. Good news ... APU Panels...these are technically one of the "Cheapy" panels in the NG market. I'll lookup some repair shops.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 12, 2017, 01:47:43 PM
Thanks Youssef but my build willluse Classic Panels that i will convert, and the pure NG ones i will use Flightdeck solutions panels for. This is a solution that works for me to keep the budget tight.

But this does not mean i will stop follow your build and be envy of your NG panels! Haha :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 12, 2017, 01:51:45 PM
My throttle is a -300 that i will not convert. So i will call my aircraft a 737-368

Some parts from -300,-600 and going for the -800 look. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on August 12, 2017, 02:20:50 PM
My throttle is a -300 that i will not convert. So i will call my aircraft a 737-368

Some parts from -300,-600 and going for the -800 look. :)

-600? Which exactly? :)

Dunno why people don't classify -600 as NG...there's no difference between most parts on the -600 and the -800. The part numbers are identical. My elec meter came from a -600.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 12, 2017, 03:43:30 PM
I think my overhead frame is from an -600. Not sure though, but i have seen brighter lightplates on the -600. Could be -200 aswell though...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on August 12, 2017, 05:20:48 PM
I think my overhead frame is from an -600. Not sure though, but i have seen brighter lightplates on the -600. Could be -200 aswell though...

Not a -600. 737-600s are part of the NG family. NG's are a lot more consisitent in terms of colour and appearance of their panels - not many variants per panel. No NG has a white overhead frame ... CL for sure -1/2/3/4/500.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 13, 2017, 05:36:15 AM
Then its settled, my aircraft will be:

737-238! Hehe
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 12, 2017, 12:27:34 PM
The Radios arrived! Older style but used on many -800. The lightplate is busted and glass broken, but after i clean them and read the analog matrix of inputs this is outstanding value! The feel of the switches is Incredible!!!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 12, 2017, 12:28:46 PM
Pituees
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 12, 2017, 12:30:54 PM
By the way, which way is the best for cleaning white letters on the panels? Just water and soft cloth?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Garys on October 12, 2017, 01:33:13 PM
Warm water, mild dishwashing liquid and a soft cloth should work
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 12, 2017, 04:18:48 PM
Thanks Gary. Will try to polish up all my lightplates sometime.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on October 17, 2017, 09:39:15 AM
The Radios arrived! Older style but used on many -800. The lightplate is busted and glass broken, but after i clean them and read the analog matrix of inputs this is outstanding value! The feel of the switches is Incredible!!!

The radios use a 2x5 Gray Code output, Easy to wire up and interface without taking them apart.  I have 2 just like the one you have that i used in my sim , already wired.  Let me know if interested. I also have the pinout from Gables.  I even have the arduino code to make them work. :)

Rob
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 18, 2017, 01:41:42 PM
The Radios arrived! Older style but used on many -800. The lightplate is busted and glass broken, but after i clean them and read the analog matrix of inputs this is outstanding value! The feel of the switches is Incredible!!!

The radios use a 2x5 Gray Code output, Easy to wire up and interface without taking them apart.  I have 2 just like the one you have that i used in my sim , already wired.  Let me know if interested. I also have the pinout from Gables.  I even have the arduino code to make them work. :)

Rob

Thanks Rob!
I have bought 4x of those radios and also older style Atc and ADF radio (all gables). I will not take these apeart as you say. I would be glad to get some pinouts info and arduinocode even better. I will send you aPM when my stuff arrives! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 18, 2017, 03:44:12 PM
Removed the broken glass and bent the inactive-bar straight(ish).
After i glue the lightplate back on on the left one these will be good to go.

Love the old gables stuff!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 18, 2017, 03:45:12 PM
Will probably put some black paint on the knobs.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 20, 2017, 12:51:56 PM
Glarewings from simworld. Excellent!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on October 20, 2017, 04:15:26 PM
Nice!

But where are the underglares?  :)

How's the overhead going? Any new progress?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 21, 2017, 01:48:32 AM
No underglare, so i got both for 75Euro! :)
I will build my own underglares, think most replicas dont look exactly like the real stuff. Will atleast try.

Overhead progressing. Looking for last two items and cleaning out the mancave.

My cockpitbuild will start in about a month.i think i will start with the tokes and the linked mechanism.

But again, all this OEM looks incredible. :)
I am an OEM fetish! Hahaha
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on October 21, 2017, 06:10:34 AM
But again, all this OEM looks incredible. :)
I am an OEM fetish! Hahaha

Yup - OEM is second to none!

Been on a semi-professional enthusiast sim once - all replica parts. Absolutely no comparison with the OEM stuff!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 23, 2017, 07:37:44 AM
Pedistal almost filled up with items. Love the older gables. These will be pretty straightforward to interface aswell. Only one broken switch otherwise perfect condition. Need to fill the label with white print though...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 23, 2017, 07:43:11 AM
Unfortunaly i can not use real pedistal bay due to my motors width of the throttle. Does anyone know how to fasten dzus into some custom wood structure. ( the radios that i had in previous post)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on October 23, 2017, 08:05:37 AM
You can mount DZUS rail to wood without a problem if needed. 
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 23, 2017, 08:13:18 AM
You can mount DZUS rail to wood without a problem if needed.



Where can i get hold of the rails only?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on October 23, 2017, 09:02:04 AM
You can mount DZUS rail to wood without a problem if needed.



Where can i get hold of the rails only?
Ask around here, try eBay etc. Or you can buy them new from various places but they are very expensive.   Google DZUS PR35 rail


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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 23, 2017, 09:08:29 AM
Thanks mickc!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 23, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Old school radio-rig!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on October 25, 2017, 07:49:03 PM
Where are you Nav Radios?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 26, 2017, 02:31:14 AM
Where are you Nav Radios?

Two of the Com radios will be used as nav. :)
Does your Radios have the Nav labeling?
Is there any difference between the Com and Nav except label?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on October 26, 2017, 04:09:50 AM
Two of the Com radios will be used as nav. :)
Does your Radios have the Nav labeling?
Is there any difference between the Com and Nav except label?

COM radios run from 118-137 MHz at .25 MHz spacings,
NAV radios run from 108.0 - 117.95 MHz at 50 kHz spacings.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 26, 2017, 04:27:18 AM
Aaahhhh damn! I should have known this!!!
Ok, my plan for that just went into the toilet. :)

Thanks for the heads up, i will only interface the two comms with good condition.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 26, 2017, 06:35:22 AM
new plan! The older COM radios will be gutted and replaced with an MAX7219 LED display instead.
I tried to remove the button switches but couldent use a hex-key.

Has anyone succeded with removing the switches and buttons so that i can remove the lightplate?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on October 26, 2017, 09:09:16 AM
new plan! The older COM radios will be gutted and replaced with an MAX7219 LED display instead.
I tried to remove the button switches but couldent use a hex-key.

Has anyone succeded with removing the switches and buttons so that i can remove the lightplate?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bristol-Spline-Wrench-set-SS-508-for-Vintage-Ham-Aviation-Radio-Gear-/361977966828?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bristol-Spline-Wrench-set-SS-508-for-Vintage-Ham-Aviation-Radio-Gear-/361977966828?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 26, 2017, 09:27:11 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bristol-Spline-Wrench-set-SS-508-for-Vintage-Ham-Aviation-Radio-Gear-/361977966828?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bristol-Spline-Wrench-set-SS-508-for-Vintage-Ham-Aviation-Radio-Gear-/361977966828?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275)

Thanks!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on October 26, 2017, 09:31:03 AM
You can find the NAV radios but they are usually the older style like 727, DC9, etc
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 26, 2017, 09:37:17 AM
You can find the NAV radios but they are usually the older style like 727, DC9, etc

Looked at your last video and saw that you have the matching nav panels but on ebay right now its only older stuff.
Will try to convert the ones first, then i might find the same as your nav panels if lucky.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 26, 2017, 04:22:18 PM
Unbelivable mechanics...
Need to get that black little clip off so i can rotate the switches freely.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 03, 2017, 01:50:29 PM
NOT a good building day!
After recieving my tools to loosen the gables knobs, these screws are so tight that my metalpin broke in two pieces.

The old oem stuff is hard to work with!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 03, 2017, 02:42:44 PM
Just because i cant get the two last knobs off, i cant convert this radio... :(

Any tips when a knob is stuck? (Yes i have removed the two screws) on the other knob they are broken...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 03, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
Let me know if anyone has suceeded with removing this knob.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on November 03, 2017, 05:22:14 PM
Hi Peter,

Not sure about your knob, but I do have some radios like that in which I could look at and help figure it out...can you tell me if there is a hex head bolt/screw or pressure fit pin in the knob? If nether, the knob is likely held by the pressed on fit; it's just pressed onto the rod.

In RC engines it's the same concept with removing the prop thrust washer. Using heat along with a pulley puller of sorts, the washer is slowly removed. You can use the same method, but without the heat aspects. You would just use the puller and do it very slowly because I am not sure if the rod could take a lot of force pressure from the front side.

Look at the two pics attached and you'll get what I mean here. Notice the puller on the RC engine, it would not be as tough on the rod as the bigger pulley puller shown by itself. That's because the bigger one will put a lot more pressure on the rod. Also, the hook sides might not be able to get in behind the knob very well due to their size and potentially slip off breaking the rod.

You could buy these items or even make something yourself using threaded rod with some nuts and a couple pieces of strong wood or metal too make the hook sections. As long as it pushes inward on the radio knob rod and outward on the knob it will come off, but just make sure you don't over do it by pushing the rod out the backside of the entire assembly.

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 04, 2017, 02:30:34 AM
Thanks!

They are definently pushed tight to a rod, so i think a pusher can be a solution. Lots of work for a little knob :) the top ones came off really easy.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 04, 2017, 07:08:34 AM
https://youtu.be/aFfVLYReE8o
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on November 04, 2017, 08:24:33 AM
Yep, wood works fine and the video you linked shows that well; however, wood might not be strong enough depending on how the pulley, knob or etc is put on. If heat and a strong pressed is used it’ll likely need that in reverse...heat and a strong puller device.

Before I purchased the RC one and the other larger pulley puller one (which can be used with 2 or 3 arms), I had one made at a local metal shop using threaded rod and an 1/16” (2mm) thick piece of flat steel. Basically, I just averaged the hole sizes by using the biggest prop washers and the smaller ones, as well as the crank shaft sizes, then they drilled out the holes and cut the slot prior to making the bends. From there the bends were made using a press or metal brake (bender), then they deburred and cleaned it...no paint applied because RC fuel is hard on painted metal, depending on the paint and metal used, so they left it clean, which still looks that way after all the years I’ve had it.

I know explaining something so simple might seem like over-kill, but it’s surprising how many things you come across that a puller of this sort can be used for; countless times I got this thing out over using a hammer or a pair of vice-grips...lol! Plus, it saved my fingers and thumbs many of times from the dreaded dummy mistakes of hitting them instead of the item or part needing removed  :o.

Attached are a some pics with measurements shown...

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 04, 2017, 10:34:53 AM
Unfortunently the rod sticking put is the inner rod, so i need to push the one that is fit tight around the knob.

This makes it impossible, either trash the lightplate to get access to the screws or i can just throw this item in the trash and learn from the mistake of beliving that you can change OEM construction. :(
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on November 04, 2017, 11:18:44 AM
Let me know if anyone has suceeded with removing this knob.

I have removed several of these  no issues, there are 2 lock screws in each knob. 
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 04, 2017, 12:35:21 PM
Let me know if anyone has suceeded with removing this knob.

I have removed several of these  no issues, there are 2 lock screws in each knob.

Thats what i thought, first two lockscrews were superhard to loosen, the first one (on the other one) broke my custom gable-tool and the knob seems to be cemented on. Think this is because corosion or rust etc. Think this is from early 80:s.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 04, 2017, 04:22:18 PM
Got one out st last by bending with extreme torque.
This stuff is not supposed to move! Hehe

Its just to stuck, i tried drill out the locking screws but no luck.

RIP comm radio...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 04, 2017, 04:54:35 PM
Cool boeing stuff thats prob cost tons of money!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 04, 2017, 05:05:48 PM
Finally free!
Lots of bearings that i maybe can use to not skew the wheels when the cable is tighten.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 04, 2017, 05:45:26 PM
Yes!!! The Builder strikes back, episode II!!!

After my radiomess i was able to disassemble the steeringboxes pretty straightforward. The best part is that there were two bearings with plate that i can use!!! I pretty much have everything i need except the tube that will connect the column and pulleys.

Will copy Scotts design of the two metalstructures that goes aside the crosstube that i will attach the bearings to.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 05, 2017, 12:43:02 PM
2 years later, first time i see it in its frame all panels at once.
Speachless...


I like to think of my 737ng like the first one that was build and now is old and dirty with oilspill but still a great machine. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 05, 2017, 12:45:00 PM
Man, that forward overhead is heavy!!! I will loose weight just converting the panels and take everything thats not needed out.

Sitting in the cockpit with this weight over my head, hope it is secured haha
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on November 05, 2017, 01:33:34 PM
Looking good!

Sent you a PM.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 12, 2017, 04:05:06 PM
To quote Eminem. "Cleaning out my closets".

Three down one more to go.
Simarea will be a boxed room with depth of 2m and width of 2,5m.
Its gona be tight, will narrow the side windows angles and the real bulkhead will start direct behind the two ipecos.

Rob, Fred or Scott, whats your box dimensions. I think i have about the same area as Scott to work with. (Maybe a little bit smaller)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: XOrionFE on November 12, 2017, 08:14:39 PM
That is way way smaller space than mine Peter.   The portion of my basement housing the sim is 3.7m x 6m. (12.5 ft x 20 ft).

The platform for the shell is approx 2.5m x 2.5m (8ft x 8ft).

Scott

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 13, 2017, 01:14:15 AM
Width is no problem but i might have to go a little further back and block the door to get 2,1m depth.

Well, time will tell how its gona work. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 14, 2017, 02:58:21 PM
Prototyping yokes version 1.0
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 14, 2017, 03:40:25 PM
Will drill a hole in the green aluminum for mounting steel length for holding my bearings. Is it ok to drill with a drill for metal?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Garys on November 14, 2017, 11:02:59 PM
LOL... Well you definitely aint gonna use a spade bit... of course a metal bit is what you are going to use  ;)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 15, 2017, 12:28:56 AM
Haha Just needed to check!

Will startoff with attaching some wood then replace with steel once the prototype is finished. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on November 15, 2017, 08:36:37 AM
Hey Peter,

Will you be using a hand drill or drill press? If you don’t need a perfect hole you can hand drill it, but for a nicer hole go with a drill press. Steel and Aluminum will drill differently of course, but the Aluminum could melt just enough for cracking to form later; especially, if the hole will be under high stress loads. So, just make sure the drill rpms are not too high.

I am no expert at drilling, but I have drilled holes in aircraft aluminum too be used in undesigned manners or for something the aircraft builder never intended...which is about everything...lol  ;D

Keep the posts and pics coming, it’s nice to see someone trying new or different things to solve sim building problems  :idiot:

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 15, 2017, 10:07:42 AM
Thanks John!

This is why i made the post, to get experiences from people that allready tackled this problem.

I will use a handdrill because i dont own a press. I might go to a local shop to get this done but hey, i should be able to do this myself. :)

Low RPM and patience and measure thoroughly before starting.

Will update with pictures for sure, fun that people are interested in my project hehe.
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: paulnd on November 15, 2017, 02:21:41 PM
Wear appropriate PPE when drilling as the green zinc chromate coating is toxic and possibly carcinogenic too.

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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 15, 2017, 02:36:17 PM
Wear appropriate PPE when drilling as the green zinc chromate coating is toxic and possibly carcinogenic too.

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Woot?
Should i buy a full bodysuit?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: navymustang on November 15, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+6188

Gloves and a mask are fine.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 16, 2017, 02:20:12 PM
Cockpit finally finished!!!








...NOT! (Borat)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Trevor Hale on November 16, 2017, 02:32:01 PM
...NOT! (Borat)

That's freeking funny :)  Nice....
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 18, 2017, 04:58:42 AM
Patient is on the operating table. This construction will be "never seen before" haha

The plan is to create wood bearing/housing for the pulleys. If they are strong enough i think i can use a rod of wood to connect pulleys and columns aswell.

Everybody saying this is a bad idea, but hey, at least try it. It will be cheap aswell! Hehe
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 18, 2017, 05:38:33 PM
Man that yoke construction is hard... :(
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 20, 2017, 04:07:23 PM
Prototype 1 is complete!

Main setup: rails attached to the crosstube that fixates the pulleys and holds the bearing so i can tighten the cable without the pulleys sckewing/tilting.
The bearings is spareparts from the disassembly of the steeringboxes.

One major problem to solve!

The bearings of the crosstube is close to the pulley, so i wonder if its enough to just use the two upper holes. (See third picture). I know Scott made custom bravkets because of this problem.



Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 22, 2017, 03:30:00 PM
Bingo!

Superconstruction is ongoing! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 26, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Prototype 2.0!

Video of OEM clevis spade joint!

Tomorrow i have to clean my workshop, what a mess!


Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 26, 2017, 03:52:11 PM
Oh, and i pulled the yokes beyond its limit pitch 12,5 degrees.
Here is youtube link.

https://youtu.be/YvRzmMrxQUo
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on November 28, 2017, 04:49:39 PM
Both yokes mounted. Tomorrow i will fixate the right cablewheel and drill holes for the canle to go through.

I will then put some "stops" agains the crosstube when the yokes reavhes max movement. Then will the springs/gas struts be installed.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on December 01, 2017, 01:48:17 AM
Yokework continues...
Made the structure more solid and also made a "stopper" at 12,5degrees from venter position. So now the yokes support themselves.

After investigating i think i will use rubberband instead of gas struts because people have complaint about the "neutral position" is to hard to pull/push from.

Also bought two more panels, pictures when it arrives.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on December 03, 2017, 12:09:11 PM
Saw a youtube video on some dude making bearing houses in wood, so i thought i give it a try. Turned out 1000 times better than i thought, perfect fit and rock solid! Dont even have to get a second layer of wood thats stopping the bearing from moving out of place.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on December 03, 2017, 04:52:48 PM
After a couple of hours the height is right and i can move the column freely within the limits. According to the design the spade and clevis should only come together about a cm.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on December 07, 2017, 04:38:28 PM
Completed the second stand and secured the wheels. Tomorrow i will connect the cables and voila! Only potentiometers and interfacing left and that part is easy, construction is hard.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on December 14, 2017, 03:40:28 PM
Snail progress...
Had to raise the structure 8mm more to get the spade and clevis to work better. Now i can rotate the yokes beyond 105 degrees without any metal structures touch. I was able to get the alignment perfect.

The screws thats securing the cable is not smooth, i am very afraid that it will break if i deassembly the cable back and fourth a couple of 20-50 times.

The final peace in the puzzle is to secure the plates that the wheels are on. Once the cable is tighten it has a tendency to move up in the air a bit. Need to secure it to the floor/structure somehow.

The springs are removed, hate that noise... will use rubberband or tennisballs or something.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on December 15, 2017, 12:45:44 PM
Christmas came early!

Man, the condition of these panels is amazing! Looks new!

This is also a end of OEM overhead panels. The only ones missing is the NGs specific, these will be aftermarket.

Next up is to get hold of MIP metal panels. Anyone tried Simparts.de? I can buy seperate panels. The kits from Simworld and FDS has too much panels that i dont need.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 10, 2018, 07:48:44 AM
More OEM stuff.
Found a NAV radio, but unfortunatly the screws on the knob is not tightened or busted. I will not even attempt a try to fix this. I had my fair (unfair) share of these old knobs. Will use the one on the right to atleast tune in one single freq.

Bought a -300 Panel, Lots of hardware for small money! Just the autobrake switch is worth threetimes the price for the whole panel in the aftermarket. Lots of Korrys and switches too.

Also found a cheap door announciator panel.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 11, 2018, 06:28:29 AM
Just placed an order for a MIP with simparts.de. Looks total pro and i was sold when i saw that their MIP frame is identical to the real one. I was also able to buy parts of the panels so i can fit my OEM gear panel later when i find one.

I know that Simparts.de also is building for real 737 cockpits and wants 100% scale accuracy.

This will be the last part i buy for a veeeery long time.. My wallet cant take anymore hits this year. :) now i have everything for getting the sim 90% ready, no more parts untill big progress is made!

Damn this hobby is expensive...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on January 16, 2018, 01:57:07 PM
Areosim FTW! Custom cogs arrived! Fitted like a glove! (Ace ventura 2)
Now i can start locking the construction and continue build the floor construction.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on January 16, 2018, 07:27:12 PM
Aerosim...not Aerosoft !

Hi Gwin !!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on February 15, 2018, 11:17:00 AM
Boooooooring!!!
Nothing done to my sim in 3-4 weeks...
Painting the walls and roof and also putting in a new wood floor in the cockpit room. This type of work is: Booooooring!!!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on February 18, 2018, 09:53:55 AM
I cant belive it!!!!!!!!
I just won a 3bay avionics pedestal from a 737 with all the dzus rails!

I have to rebuild my throttle to be able to fit the motors.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Trevor Hale on February 18, 2018, 10:10:44 AM
Great find. Those aren’t easy to come by.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on February 19, 2018, 06:34:02 AM
Exciting times!
Package arrived!
Will report later tonight, but from what i can see we have an ace vendor with the best quality i have ever seen...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on February 19, 2018, 04:33:10 PM
New floor to the cockpit room!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on February 27, 2018, 04:23:52 AM
Unbelivable.

This is LIGHT! 7kg! Incredible!
Such a beautiful item!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on February 27, 2018, 04:40:03 AM
Filled with some candy...

Think i have one more ADF somewhere...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on February 27, 2018, 12:50:04 PM
Making some great progress!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on February 27, 2018, 01:23:24 PM
Thanks.

Yeah, i cant belive it. After 2-3 years i have all the panels, seats and items i need.
Now the cockpit frame construction will begin.

Once it is complete i will take panel by panel and interface. This is my approach so i can fly a little sometimes with the parts that has been completed.



Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on February 28, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
Base platform under construction.

Will mount wheel so i can get access when maintaining.
Key focus will be on easy access and being able to easily remove sections.

Platform with wheel will measure 42 cm of height. Still lots of height left.
Will prob go for lcd tvs...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 05, 2018, 03:36:46 PM
Base construction 99% done.
8 casters each rated 100kg.

Each beam has cc 60 cm.

Will add a layer of 1,5cm playwood and also on the sides. (As suggested)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Bob Reed on March 05, 2018, 03:45:50 PM
That is a tight room.. Do you know how you are going to cool it?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 05, 2018, 04:04:03 PM
Open the door in the front! :)

No seriously i will think of some ventilation, but that will be a later problem.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 07, 2018, 03:15:56 PM
Hit the lights... ...porn alert!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on March 07, 2018, 04:48:27 PM
Hit the lights... ...porn alert!

Looks great!!

Really motivating! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on March 29, 2018, 03:08:26 PM
The yokes are almost complete hardware wise, installed the cogs for roll axis. Once my alps linear slide pot arrives i am done and the floor will come on hopefully. 😊
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 02, 2018, 06:28:12 AM
Floor mounting begins. The last pot will be added through the maintenance hatches.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 07, 2018, 02:54:45 AM
Starting to look like a cockpit
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jeffreyk on April 07, 2018, 03:27:53 AM
Starting to look like a cockpit

It sure does! Looking great Kurt Peter  :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 07, 2018, 04:42:18 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 15, 2018, 09:01:02 AM
No need for rudder pedals yet!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: navymustang on April 15, 2018, 11:57:50 AM
I wonder how common the document boxes at the back of the seats are on 737s?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 15, 2018, 12:32:47 PM
I sould like to remove them to get a more NG look, but unfortunatly they are installed with rivets. Dont know if it is possible to remove...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: navymustang on April 16, 2018, 04:52:52 AM
IF you can gain access to the head of the rivet, in most cases just drilling it out will allow you to remove them.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 16, 2018, 12:54:41 PM
Thanks, i will investigate this. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: ifeliciano on April 16, 2018, 01:31:03 PM
I sould like to remove them to get a more NG look, but unfortunatly they are installed with rivets. Dont know if it is possible to remove...

Don't remove them or if you do, save the document boxes.  Inevitably, one day, you'll need more storage...
I don't see how having them affects immersion.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 18, 2018, 04:28:22 AM
The thing is also that both seats are FO seats, will prob try to convert it once other issues is done. but not right now. =)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 22, 2018, 11:42:15 AM
Testing options on how to mount the mcp.
I would like to have a platform right under the mcp that it can rest on that stretches from side to side. This solution made the mcp very flimsy and not sterdy at all.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on April 23, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
You need a structure behind your MIP which is not structural by design.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/YOMWRr.jpg)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 23, 2018, 01:10:03 PM
Jack, that is exactly what i need! How do you find these parts? Do you have a cnc?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on April 23, 2018, 02:49:23 PM
Just MDF 3/4 inch, aluminum corners, and bolts and nuts through.
No fancy tooling. MDF  boards will not hold direct bolting you have to use aluminum backers on both sides to make it perfectly sturdy.

Before you ask, I sold that sim and do not have dimensions handy...lol

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/923/rR6B3B.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/924/asuGGq.jpg)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 23, 2018, 04:51:06 PM
Thanks, right now i am building the same solution as your laat pic. I dont like the sawing part with angles, hard to get correct.

I also hope that sn OEM gear lever can fit once i find any.

Worked 2h today without any real progres... hm...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 25, 2018, 05:35:31 PM
Put 3hours on the mcp stand. Stable solution now but unfortunatlyi missed the 90 degree angle so i have to pitch the mcp down about 2cm

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on April 27, 2018, 02:11:20 PM
Managed to remove the paperholders from the back of the seats.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 06, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
Embryo for cockpit windows coming along
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 24, 2018, 07:29:53 AM
Forward window frame completed.hope it will handle the OEM weight of the overhead. Nextup: mounting empty overhead frames.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on May 24, 2018, 07:32:39 AM
More structure pics
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 02, 2018, 05:12:21 PM
The roof... the roof... the roof is on fire... we dont need no water let the MF burn....

I might think the horizontol beam might be to small but since the other two beams are resting direct on the poles i think this should be fine.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 02, 2018, 05:14:17 PM
Oh if anyone thinks:

Holy S, that will not support OEM overhead of about 30-40kg... let me know before i get it on my head while flying. =)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on June 03, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
Oh if anyone thinks:

Holy S, that will not support OEM overhead of about 30-40kg... let me know before i get it on my head while flying. =)

Well I'm not too comfortable with this.

A major setback, but safety first, redo the overhead structure with metal.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on June 03, 2018, 08:16:17 PM
Wood beams are no OEM material, especially flimsy ones.
NGer is right,  use aluminum. It comes in all sizes and profiles , it is light, strong and does not bend!
Just drill and bolt together
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on June 03, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
Here is a thought: How much did you pay for your MCP, MIP, Throttle Assy and Pedestal? Now, figure out 25% of that cost and use that amount on paying for the structure that holds it all. In other words, if you spent $10,000 you should at least spend another $1,000 on the structure, and in your pics it looks like you're only spending 1% on it.

Please don't take me wrong, I know you're not a builder of sorts, but rethink your structure a little bit or have a friend who knows wood or metal materials help you. Then, spend a little bit more on those materials, and have that friend build it out for you.

Believe me, you would not want all the other items destroyed by the Overhead falling and your head will not help stop it from breaking things; although, it will break your heart and make you cry from pain...not physical pain, but mental pain from not building the structure much stronger beforehand...lol!

Kind Regards,

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 04, 2018, 01:32:54 AM
Thanks for the input. I will replace the rear end horizontal stud. But the other beams are used in house construction and i can hang in the backframe (85kg) now without any problem.

I copied Robert Archers design.

Which parts do you think look weak? I will give that area some focus.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 04, 2018, 01:35:28 AM
This is what i was aiming on. Know Rob only uses OEM aswell.
https://youtu.be/yDs2v52SfiQ
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on June 04, 2018, 02:05:22 AM
Hi Peter,

Let me ask you this, if you touch any piece of wood in the setup and wiggle it, does everything else wiggle/move? Now, stand up at the back and grab either vertical stud then shake it side-to-side, does everything else move? If yes to either test, then your structure is not sturdy enough.

Think about this; you or other people will bump it, you will be turning knobs and flicking switches on the fore and aft overhead panels a lot, and your MIP center post is holding all the weight of the overhead boards, so turning knobs and switches on the MIP and MCP will cause more movement. All together it adds up to a rickety structure that will give out sooner than later...

If you really wish to stick with this setup, change the vertical 2"x4" boards to 4"x4" posts, then have two 2"x4" boards attached on each side of the post going down to your top window board. Make the top window board as two 2"x4" boards attached to each other and do the same for your vertical center window post.

Then, if you sim will not move attach a set of 2"x4"'s to the ceiling of the room and from there attach four 2"x4"s down to each corner where the forward overhead will be attached. Thus, the room is now helping to hold the hanging weight of the overhead, as well as helping provide structural stability.

My main point here is strength over minimal design. You can be minimal, but you must double the strength somehow...

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 04, 2018, 02:44:20 AM
John.

Thanks again for your  help and time. The back posts will remain for now, they are connected to the floor structure and rock solid, i can move the whole sim by holding them and drag them. (floor is on wheels)
I will implement your changes right away! Will add the posts to the windows boards (reeeealy good idea as this is what i considered a weak point!) as you suggests and also add a heavier horizontal post in the back.

I am thinking of trying to add a metal structure as my window middle post at the front, this is the only point/thing now that moves a little bit if i hang in the two posts that will support the overhead frame.

Do you know what they are called? metal posts that is predrilled and that i can bend to certain angles?

br

Peter
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on June 04, 2018, 08:36:36 AM
Might be a bit expensive, but you could CNC the metal structure?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jackpilot on June 04, 2018, 09:29:01 AM
Google: 737 shell structure cockpit  for ideas...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 04, 2018, 05:52:38 PM
Thanks jack, my structure is completely disassembled right now :( setback, but my new version will be much better.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on June 04, 2018, 10:23:53 PM
Hi Peter,

I am not sure, but could it be stop sign post or something similar? Could you draw out a plan of what you have in mind?

Also, I had another idea for you, how about using round wooden dowels to go across from one double board to the next double board? In other words, these dowels would be up behind your overhead and you drill holes for the dowels to fit on each side. Then, place a screw downward through the top of the double board into the ends of the dowels. Think link a baby's crib side rail placed above with the dowels going across from right to left. This in effect would look like a step ladder of sorts. Why do this? Well, it would add strength and reduce any side to side movement above the overhead area, and it would be less weight by using dowels.

In the mean time, since you've taken everything down, I will wait to see what you do next...

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 05, 2018, 01:32:27 AM
Hi John!

Foo fighters concert tonight but i wont do anymore building without a plan. I will sketch it up and then post in this thread. I can send you a PM once the sketch is complete.

What i can say is that the new plan is to have a sturdy beam in the front across the MIP that the mcp is attached to and i can then attach the window post to it.
I feel comfortable to sit on the post once it is secured so i think this could work.

Talk to you later.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Steenos on June 05, 2018, 04:41:19 PM
Hey Kurt.

Where were you able to find that pedestal? Looks like it even has cup holders! haha. You've been making some serious progress.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 06, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
Hi Justin,

I bought it from ebay. Simparts had bought a real cockpit ghat they were stripping parts from. I was really lucky on this item...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 06, 2018, 05:11:24 PM
Made a small video of my sim.
new structure.

Basically a horizontal post across the MIP. I can likely sit on this so it can handle heavy weight.
the middle window post is now heavier size (not attached yet) and will be attach to another posts that goes from the floor and up.

The middle post will also be connected to the post that goes across the MIP.

the window frame will be replaced with heavier wood.

I think this is a keeper, lots of space for building the MIP in later stages.

https://youtu.be/6ufgotjZa2I
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 07, 2018, 02:40:02 PM
New structure to hold the window post.
The two upper posts that makes the window frame will be exchanged for heavier wood. I might change the side posts aswell but i dont think thats nescessary.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 727737Nut on June 10, 2018, 03:22:37 PM
Don't listen to these guys!  I have almost the exact setup as you and it not only holds the entire weight of my real OH with real panels, it holds my 220lb arse along with it!   You have the 2 vertical 2x4s under the horizontal 2x4s   Perfect!  Continue on.  Guess we should build homes out of metal studs as well?  LMAO   Buh bye, back into my hole......
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 11, 2018, 02:02:58 AM
Thanks Rob.

Hope you didnt get any patent on your design, because i stoooole it! Hahahaha
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 12, 2018, 08:54:06 AM
Have the two overhead studs to add for the overhead panels. Then my version 1 structure is complete. I will not build more stuff like sidewalls/windows untill 90% is interfaced and works. Need the space to make it easier to work with the cockpit.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 13, 2018, 02:06:15 PM
Progress!!!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 13, 2018, 03:29:14 PM
More progress!!!

The brackets are excellent for mounting the otherone aswell.

Sadly, i noticed that one corner had a crack in it close to the ring. I will have to contact some company that can repair this for me. I dont want to add any panels before i fix this problem. Really annoing but could have been worse.

I am so glad, all my measurements are spot on according marcuspilot.

Will have to adjust the frames, but i know the main mounting will work.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 17, 2018, 05:23:06 PM
Progress.

Building the glareshield mockup.

I wont paint it but instead put some black cloth/vinyl fabric on it.
If anyone has a good tip let me know. That goes for the under glare fabric aswell.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 21, 2018, 04:37:33 PM
Holy Diver! Its been long its been rough since i build this awesome thing!
Dum da dam dam durum da dam!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: crazydunc on June 21, 2018, 06:06:41 PM
Holy Diver! Its been long its been rough since i build this awesome thing!
Dum da dam dam durum da dam!

Peter,

That looks awesome - Great job!

Dunc
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 22, 2018, 03:06:10 AM
Holy Diver! Its been long its been rough since i build this awesome thing!
Dum da dam dam durum da dam!

Peter,

That looks awesome - Great job!

Dunc

Thanks mate!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 26, 2018, 05:48:00 PM
Forward Overhead panel up in position. Needs to be lowered at the front by 2cm and back by 1cm.

Its been hard to find the right brackets that will work with this setup.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Marco ERJ on June 26, 2018, 07:10:41 PM
Looking great, Peter! Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 27, 2018, 02:25:50 PM
Looking great, Peter! Keep up the great work!

Thanks!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on June 27, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
P R O G R E S S! =)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w3GL6vssFc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w3GL6vssFc)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 01, 2018, 05:39:35 PM
FO Yoke interfaced!

Right now i will only code scetches that recognizes buttonpress/read analog values etc. once it is complete i will start manipulate datarefs of x-plane.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 06, 2018, 08:24:26 AM
On Saturday my Aircraft comes alive, Objective : To be able to control pitch and roll with my yokes! 😊
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: navymustang on July 06, 2018, 08:29:44 AM
These are the thrilling moments, almost like child birth  :)

Not that us guys would know anything about that !
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 11, 2018, 10:43:02 AM
My Yokes is interfaced as a Teensy Joystick. Incredible little code for getting everything to work with one usb. 26v stallshaker relay still to be done, but not now.

I think i made a huge misstake with my Yoke platform, i can access it by two holes for some easy maintenace, but if something bigger brakes or needs to be done i have to dissassemble the complete cockpit... :(

I want to convert my pitch with rubberbands instead of gasspring but its impossible to access it enough to be able to switch.

Atleast everything else is easy to remove for troubleshoot.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 16, 2018, 02:46:05 PM
Its Alive!

Yokes completed and soon PFD and ND, then i can start flying!

I am in between getting a short-throw projector (easier to mount) and an old lcd tv for doing beta testing.

Anyone tried the 100$ ultra short throws? I know they are garbage but i wont buy the tvs untill the sim is about 60-70% complete and can do normal operations.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 17, 2018, 08:19:51 AM
Progress!

More woodwork (which i hate) to fit the second monitor. Made perfect mounting of the monitor. The first one is a bit tacky, but itl work.

So cool to see the sim coming alive. I am glad i made the -800 otherwise i would be flying in 2034 if going the steam-gauges route. (But in all fairness steam is cooler)

Also cleaned the simroom, next is to sort all the cables/ccomponents on the workbench.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 17, 2018, 04:07:01 PM
Damn.

My LCD screen fell out of the MIP and onto the floor.
The Dell one wasnt connected to the box except some tape.

Luckily i could connect it again and it worked, but this way its harder to mount... :(
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 17, 2018, 05:01:52 PM
Custom lip that the monitor rests on.

Great sucess! (Borat)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 18, 2018, 05:48:22 PM
Progress! Throttle remake v2.0.

Nowthe OEM pedestal will fit over the motors!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 18, 2018, 05:56:26 PM
Well what do you know...

Like a glove!!! (Ace Ventura 2, carparking)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 19, 2018, 01:19:55 PM
Super monitor installed! 17”!!! Hahaha
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Joe Lavery on July 20, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
You're gonna need binoculars for that screen!!  8) 8)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 21, 2018, 05:21:38 AM
when throttle is finished i can totally fly this thing manually
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 21, 2018, 07:53:21 AM
Zibo aircraft and displays FTW!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 24, 2018, 09:19:25 AM
Huge upgrade!

View monitor upgraded from 17” to 19”! 😂
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 25, 2018, 05:30:44 PM
Work continues...

Only thing left is speedbrake clutch motor and pot,
Parking brake. The rest is wired up.

The teensy joystick libbis a bless to work with. This whole unit except flaps is setup as a joystick.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on July 25, 2018, 07:38:40 PM
Kurt,

How much free travel do you get at the throttle handle with those clutches?  I was getting approx 10- 12mm where the -800 has a limit of 2mm.
Im using the same clutches.  I recently got new planetary drive motors with 0 degree backlash and smaller sprockets at the motor end, yet to assemble. 
Just curious about your travel

The way I have built my pedestal makes it hard to get to the drives so im putting it off ;)

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 26, 2018, 03:02:12 AM
Hi mick!

I have about 4mm of travel of my throttles.
My problem is how to get the brackets (like your) around the motors and clutch setup. If i have a real good setup i can tighten the chain and get less movement.

I had to drill a bigger hole of 6mm in the clutches aswell to get rid of the coupler i had before to make it tight so i can put the pedestal over it.

Let me know how it works with you new engines.

This is setup 1.0. If i find anything better i will change but it works really well now. The autothrottle is in really good sync aswell.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 29, 2018, 05:41:59 PM
Work continues om the throttle.

Using db connectors. Great when getting the hang of the soldering.

Trim/speedbrake and parkingbrake left. Parkingbrake will be mounted to a fat switch. The speedbrake is more work.

Oh, i need a chain and motor for the trimwheels aswell, but atleast no clutch there.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Steenos on July 29, 2018, 06:23:37 PM
Great job! Are you following flaps2approach? I've seen his website and he's a super nice guy.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 30, 2018, 03:56:57 AM
Hi Justin.

That site is awesome and he has documented alot of his progress. Really top notch stuff. Lots of ideas stolen from him and other builders of this forum. :)
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: archen on July 30, 2018, 12:04:52 PM
Do you plan to use SimVim or what software are you planning on using?

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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 30, 2018, 06:31:58 PM
Hi Anders!

I use Teensy microcontroller with the Zibo 737 aircraft manipulating  There is a lib called FlightControls that i use aswell.

Using ZHSI for all the 2D panels.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on July 31, 2018, 08:29:28 AM
Db9 connector will be my main setup. Wire all hardware cables to one connector, then the other connector to the teensy and other modules. This way i can easy rebuild/repair the circuit logic.

Feelin proud compared to when i asked Rob about ”Grounds” and hooked up my first crappy MCP version 1.

This looks pretty clean. Next level is circuitboards but i wont go that route now.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 01, 2018, 10:53:41 AM
MIP lip and kick panel under construction and then to be spray painted.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: navymustang on August 01, 2018, 11:51:14 AM
Kurt - great job so far. May also suggest cable raceways to keep your wire management under control. I use Panduit.

https://www.alliedelec.com/panduit-g2x2lg6/70333531/?mkwid=swAfLlQIK&pcrid=30980760979&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIssjCvJrM3AIVQ1mGCh0H4Q8yEAQYBSABEgKQwPD_BwE (https://www.alliedelec.com/panduit-g2x2lg6/70333531/?mkwid=swAfLlQIK&pcrid=30980760979&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIssjCvJrM3AIVQ1mGCh0H4Q8yEAQYBSABEgKQwPD_BwE)

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 01, 2018, 02:30:13 PM
Thanks Jim, yeah will install cable management under the platform as i go along with all the panels.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 01, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
Cable management! Db9 preparing!!!

I have found out that cockpitbuilding requires around 1-2 beers / hour.

Man, this hobby is great! I have to remember that i wanted to sell 1 month ago... hehe
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Marco ERJ on August 02, 2018, 12:46:42 AM
LOL!
I guess when it comes to aviation, the only two times when bottom’s up is okay are in aerobatics and sim building! Both wild hobbies in their own right!
Nice job, Peter! Great progress!

Marco
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 03, 2018, 05:37:07 AM
LOL trie that! Hope your ERJ is coming along well. :)

Found an old PC with VGA...
Might be a possible ZHSI dedicated computer, but i still like to hve everything in one pc as these app demand very little resources.
This PC is totally overkill for this but its good that it comes in use.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 03, 2018, 07:21:39 AM
Oh, bt the way: HATE x-plane.org website and its login demands for downloading and its design from 1994.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 03, 2018, 03:53:16 PM
The 15” fitted like a glove!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Steenos on August 03, 2018, 06:11:11 PM
Which MIP parts are you using? I'd like to use the CPFlight but for 3000, that's a lot of money.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 03, 2018, 06:44:35 PM
I reeeealy recommend Simparts.de its in europe but they buy real 737 and convert. Everything is pure quality and all my OEM fits and its cheap! My MIP frame and all panels (high quality) only cost my 400 Euro.

Will buy the bezels and other stuff from them as my progress goes on.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Steenos on August 03, 2018, 06:49:55 PM
Dang their full frame is like 1900 USD. Did you make your frame out of MDF or did you buy all from them? it looks like good stuff.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: navymustang on August 03, 2018, 09:21:03 PM
I have to second SimParts. Like Kurt, I needed a very precise OEM quality MIP and they provided it. Have loved the decision ever since. It allows me to choose between using OEM gauges or simulated units.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 04, 2018, 03:45:37 AM
I bought only their frame and panels, this because of my custom build. The full frame will save you lota of hours though. But more expensive.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 05, 2018, 10:40:52 AM
Lip and kickstands painted. The kickstands will be replaced by wood as they are only 6cm with and the real one is 9cm. But really happy with how the RAL 7011 turned out.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 07, 2018, 05:34:28 PM
Parking brake set!

https://youtu.be/jtqPj1jvono

When i use the Zibo 737 the parking brake must be pressed two times to fully release. I dont know if this is a bug but i have never seen this behaviour before.

Is the parking brake just on/off or is there other modes? I know you can release it with the push/pull button or by pressing the top toe brakes.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Steenos on August 07, 2018, 08:10:29 PM
I see what you did there. You linked it to a switch. Very nice!
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: archen on August 08, 2018, 02:46:05 AM
Just on/off. But you need to press and hold the brakes to be able to pull the switch.

I plan to use a solenoid to make the logic. Also you should make the parking brake springloaded so you can tap the brakes so it snaps to off.

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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 08, 2018, 03:17:26 AM
Thanks Anders.

Will only implement manual control now. Little shortcuts here and there but makes it flyable faster. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 08, 2018, 03:42:30 PM
Kids asleep! i ve got like 3-4 hours of building infront of me!

Objectives:

Parking Brake interfacing
Flaps - fine tuning (use XPlaneRef("laminar/B738/flt_ctrls/flap_lever"); instead of the old flaps_request ref if you want zibo 737 to work).

Testflying and trying to save ZHSI screen position. For some reason they always popup in the center of my monitor.

Soldering all my Yoke cables to a DB9 connector.

Thats it, over and out!


Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 08, 2018, 04:41:46 PM
Oh man. Why am i always stuck flying instead of building. This is too much fun!
The feeling of staring at the PFD in real size beats everything! Dont care about visuals right now, could aswell be pitch black aslong as my instrument is working.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 09, 2018, 04:45:16 PM
LIKE A BOSS!

Thats how Yoke interfacing is done! :)

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 19, 2018, 02:06:50 PM
Cut the glareshield to correct size. Need to order some black vinyl.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 23, 2018, 03:36:58 PM
Templating/mocking for underglare begins. This will be a pain but hopefully the black vinyl wrapped around the wood will give a realistic touch.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: skyline223 on August 23, 2018, 06:17:06 PM
I have really enjoyed catching up on this build. Great work and I hope to come alongside you with the Arduino/X-Plane route soon. Good luck the the under glare, it definitely is a pain with trial and error but you are certainly on the right track!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 24, 2018, 01:29:03 AM
Thanks Will!

Next up will be the CDU bay. Better to paint it before installing this time hehe :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on August 25, 2018, 07:42:32 AM
Trsting my template with some wrapping. Think it can be good once wrapped with vinyl.

Fixed the column floor covers.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 06, 2018, 03:30:12 PM
Small progress

Put vinyl around the glareshield with a staplegun.
It was hard but turned out ok and it gives the cockpit more immersion.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 06, 2018, 04:33:42 PM
Let me know if there are any checklist holder vendors here in europe. Cant find this item nowhere.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 06, 2018, 05:13:41 PM
Hey Peter,

Do you mean the yoke clipboard checklist holder that you have already or do you mean the 3 or 5 ring binders that manuals are placed in and are used for checklists as well? Can you post a pic of what you're looking for, as I may have it...

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: skyline223 on September 06, 2018, 07:18:07 PM
Do you mean the yoke clipboard checklist holder that you have already or do you mean the 3 or 5 ring binders that manuals are placed in and are used for checklists as well? Can you post a pic of what you're looking for, as I may have it...

I believe he is referencing the checklist holder that is bolted to the top of the glareshield.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 06, 2018, 10:14:08 PM
Oh, okay I see... I suggest contacting FDS for something like this. Or, you could just 3D print one and it'll be totally useable for this application.

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 07, 2018, 12:19:10 AM
Hi John.

Yeah i mean the same as in wills picture, the one mounted on the glareshield.

Unfortunatly i dong have a 3d printer (yet hehe).

I will try contact FDS and see if they sell it seperatly.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Sam Llorca on September 07, 2018, 08:56:22 AM
Or this guys may have it, they are 737 suppliers too...

http://www.virtualavionics.com.br/ (http://www.virtualavionics.com.br/)

Not associated with this firm in any way shape or form!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: skyline223 on September 07, 2018, 12:12:19 PM
Hi John.

Yeah i mean the same as in wills picture, the one mounted on the glareshield.

Unfortunatly i dong have a 3d printer (yet hehe).

I will try contact FDS and see if they sell it seperatly.

I'll be tuned in to see what you come up with. Let us know if you source one (real or not) because I'd be in the market for one as well!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 07, 2018, 10:44:53 PM
If anyone has a file with it made already I would try 3d printing it for you...

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 08, 2018, 03:03:03 AM
Thats very kind John and i would of course pay for this service.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Joe Lavery on September 08, 2018, 04:25:22 AM
I've drawn this up for you John,

It's 3mm thick but I can thin it down if that would be better. I thought anything thinner would not be strong enough.
Let me know what you think.

Best
Joe.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 08, 2018, 04:45:18 AM
Hi Joe,

AWESOME! Yes, I think 3mm will work the best. I cannot tell by the pics, but are the angles 90 degrees squared or are they rounded a bit? From what I have it's more of a rounded corner somewhat...

What format or extension did you make this in?

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Joe Lavery on September 08, 2018, 04:58:25 AM
It's an stl file so you should be able to load it with Cura or simplify 3D.
The top edges of the raised section are all rounded but not the outermost edge
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 08, 2018, 05:23:51 AM
Great .stl and Simplify3D is what I use...just check your PM for my email address.

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Joe Lavery on September 08, 2018, 05:52:55 AM
John,
The stl file in my original post ...  or here.... :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 08, 2018, 05:58:18 AM
Oops, sorry Joe I missed it in the original...lol! I got now though  :)

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Joe Lavery on September 08, 2018, 06:00:40 AM
No Worries John, I hope it helps
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 08, 2018, 06:30:27 AM
Okay, I got it imported and will have to scale it down just a tad since my bed is 300mmx300mmx400mm. Have you printed one of these yourself yet?

I've found that it needs supports either direction, so I flipped it with the top down and let the outer edges where the holes are get the support structures...guessing that will be okay if the supports come off cleanly. Otherwise, I might try it top up and let the supports go underneath that way you would not see any remnants of them when mounted to the glareshield.

I'll either start printing it now or later tonight.

Thanks Joe!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 08, 2018, 07:16:16 AM
Looks good! Hope it turnes out well. :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 08, 2018, 07:55:27 AM
Hey Peter,

Once I get this done I'll let you know. Also, if you want I can start a new thread or just keep things here...up to you  ;D

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Joe Lavery on September 08, 2018, 08:37:17 AM
John,

I'm afraid I went for the smaller Creality printer the Ender 3 which I've been quite surprised at, with the quality I'm getting.
However it only has a 235 x 235 bed, so this is a bit outside my scope.

I drew the holder this morning after seeing the original post, more to see how it turned out really.

Over to you now....  8)

Joe.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2018, 04:29:59 AM
Hey Peter,

Once I get this done I'll let you know. Also, if you want I can start a new thread or just keep things here...up to you  ;D

John

Keep it in this thread, no problem! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Gallie on September 09, 2018, 05:47:34 AM
Kurt,

Flyengravity makes these glareshield pockets, simworld also used to sell them seperately.

You can also build one out of a serving tray. As seen on this other cockpit builders website:
http://737ngxca.com/mip%20images/docmeasure.jpg (http://737ngxca.com/mip%20images/docmeasure.jpg)
The perfect solution if you ask me..

The original NG measures a opening of 23cm width and 26.3 length. The original is glued to the glareshield.
The total width is 26cm by lenght 28cm. Total hight is 7mm.

Michael
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2018, 06:58:22 AM
Hi Michael.

Flyengravity has a review of having little to thin metal so it flexes. Simworld might be an option but ive got an offer for an OEM (if he finds it) and it will be interesting to see what John comes up with. 😊
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 09, 2018, 01:16:07 PM
Hey Guys,

I hope to get on this tonight, as I was sleeping for last the 23 hours; too many days of not sleeping or getting very little...lol...it all caught up to me.  :o

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 09, 2018, 01:58:11 PM
New panel aquired!

Dont know if i should fill it with analog gauges or use the hardware for a -800 replica panel with a lcd.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on September 09, 2018, 06:58:17 PM
New panel aquired!

Dont know if i should fill it with analog gauges or use the hardware for a -800 replica panel with a lcd.

you have been invited to the dark side...buy an NG unit  8)

They exist now for <$2000 if it is an older unit :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 10, 2018, 12:45:37 AM
Haha 2000$ for one panel is crazy! OEM is more important to me than having exact -800 model. Building a sim sometimes means shortcuts. 😊
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 10, 2018, 04:21:10 PM
Haha
My 1665 Dome White Lamp is actually working after all these years...
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 12, 2018, 02:08:05 AM
Hey Guys,

Sorry about the delays with the MIP Checklist Holder, Karen and I have way to many things going on as summer winds down and fall is on the horizon... However, I finally got time to adjust the settings and figure out the support structures inside of Simplify3D and started printing the first test print a few minutes ago...HOORAY!

The calculated printed time is 10 hours, a lot for something so simple in design, yet time none the less that I'll have to keep an eye on it; unless, I doze off out here in the hanger...lol!

Regarding sizing, I took into account what Michael says,

"The original NG measures a opening of 23cm width and 26.3 length. The original is glued to the glareshield. The total width is 26cm by length 28cm. Total height is 7mm."

Although, it's not exactly these numbers at this point, it could be adjusted by Joe in the program he used to design this item, in which case I will update him about this after the first test is finished. I am using black PLA for this since I see no reason the use ABS or anything stronger.

Also, I ran it in the proper vertical positioning as it would be if mounted; unfortunately, this requires more support structures and longer print time. My next plan is to run it inverted that way the support structures will only be on the outer rim, but I am cautious about this direction because the rim is very thin and narrow, so when removing the supports after printing I am worried it might break at the rim itself.

I will post pics tomorrow... In the mean time, I am thinking about making another DIY Vacuum Forming box and try making this item. I made a box many years ago and it went very well when I made things; however, I disposed of it after years of going unused...silly me!

John 
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 12, 2018, 03:41:27 PM
Hey Everyone,

The Checklist Holder is done, so check the pics... The only mistake I made was using to much glue that the tape really stuck! Oh well, better then coming unstuck during the printing process, and it doesn't matter anyway, as you will not see it.

What do you think?

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 12, 2018, 03:46:21 PM
I will measure this and place it on my MIP for comparison later today... 8)

Edit: By the way, I took the photos on a white table with a lamp on one side and natural daylight on the other, hence the light color banding. I did this to show both variations.

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Joe Lavery on September 12, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
Nice job John, looks like the supports came away pretty clean, good to see my design in the flesh so to speak.

Joe,
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 12, 2018, 08:14:02 PM
Here are the comparisons to the my mounted FDS one which is much different, in which case I am not trying to copy it; instead, I am making sure it's not the same at all out of total respect for Peter and Steve...my FDS bros  :idiot:
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 13, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
Supernice John!

I will take one if you sell it! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on September 13, 2018, 11:18:12 AM
Hi Peter,

Sent you a PM.

For others who would like one printed, I cannot sell it for a profit since Joe designed this. However, if you pay for a spool of filament to cover my time printing it and the machine time of 10.5 hrs (includes wear and tear, plus electricity), I would make you one.

Also, if Joe decides to print them for others at a profit, I would not object, nor print his design.

And, you guys know Karen and me, we are a very honest couple...always  ;D

If you’re interested, please PM me.

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 13, 2018, 04:14:56 PM
Master caution recall switches.

These are OEM but not the correct one. I will have to change the labels and also implement a microswitch when pushed.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 14, 2018, 12:21:32 PM
Once my elec panel arrived the interfacing begins!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on September 14, 2018, 01:58:03 PM
Once my elec panel arrived the interfacing begins!

NG or CL elec panel? :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 15, 2018, 01:20:13 AM
Once my elec panel arrived the interfacing begins!

NG or CL elec panel? :)
[/

It id a CL panel without the analog gauges.

I might buy a replica panel and fit the hardware in the NG panel. Dont know yet.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 18, 2018, 02:57:28 PM
Dome light...

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on September 19, 2018, 08:30:44 AM
Flood light actually...

Dome is the one on the Aft bulkhead, above th CBs.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 19, 2018, 09:47:22 AM
Flood light actually...

Dome is the one on the Aft bulkhead, above th CBs.


It says White Dome Light and it is coming from my Aft overhead panel. It shines down on the Throttle.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 19, 2018, 03:56:18 PM
Nothing compared to OEM backlight!
Man, dont see me flying daytime ever when you have this gorgeous lighting and atmosphere!



Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: bernard S on September 19, 2018, 04:10:45 PM
are you going to use the  master dimmer box ? yout overhead chart lights  flood lights storm lights side panel piller liggts  etc all work from this box ..in short lighting is a huge deal and most are just happy that the bulbs glow ..
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 19, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
I am gona use mosfets and control all lighting from the software/flightmodel.

So when you flip the gen busses the light will flicker etc.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jeffreyk on September 20, 2018, 06:48:33 AM
I am gona use mosfets and control all lighting from the software/flightmodel.

So when you flip the gen busses the light will flicker etc.

You could also use a relay that switches when you select a different source.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 20, 2018, 07:35:07 AM
Thats a good idea and its what i would like to do.
I just hope that there is no condition where the backlights is reduced by lets say 50%. In that case i have to hook it up to my microcontroller.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on September 20, 2018, 07:50:31 AM
Wouldn't a relay be more problematic, especially with the EMI?

There are some really high power MOSFETs out there, and I assume the circuitry would generally be simpler.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jeffreyk on September 20, 2018, 09:00:59 AM
Wouldn't a relay be more problematic, especially with the EMI?

There are some really high power MOSFETs out there, and I assume the circuitry would generally be simpler.

You do realize that the actual airplane uses relays for almost everything?

Jeffrey

Edit,

I don't think using a high power mosfet is wrong, however my intention is using relays as per the real aircraft. EMI is always an issue and needs to be dealt with where necessary.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on September 20, 2018, 11:03:52 AM
Yes that's of course true, but this a sim, including hardware that isn't designed for electrically noisy environments.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 20, 2018, 03:22:29 PM
Anti ice panel interfacing!
Love the db9 connectors. This way i modularize the hardware from my teensy circuit. If i make a crappy one or it brakes, i can easily replace it!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: bernard S on September 21, 2018, 12:07:42 PM
be warned  lol   ... real relays etc    that is whole other level of grief ..so much so it will make hell seem like a,sauna ..
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 21, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
Hahah nice Bernard!
Everytime i think i am overwhelmed with wires i look at some pictures from your cockpit! hahah

Your build is a whole other level and is extremely cool to replicate the hardware aswell!

My build is the opposit, shortcuts everywhere. =)

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 25, 2018, 05:31:45 PM
Flightsim desk!!!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 27, 2018, 05:03:04 PM
I connected the backligth to one channel on the ULN2803a.
The max current per channel is 500ma.

Anyone know the ampdraw of a OEM backlight bulb?

The chip dont even get warm so i guess i am safe. Tried measure it with my voltmeter but failed, dont understand how i should connect it properly in this circuit.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: iwik on September 27, 2018, 05:48:25 PM
Kurt,
To check current draw of bulb, just put your meter on dc Current(MA) and  put the meter
 in series with the bulb. That simple.
Les
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 29, 2018, 02:50:57 AM
My voltmeter only has 200ma as setting with DC. I figure my circuit will put out around at least 400ma?

Is it okey to use 200ma setting?
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: jeffreyk on September 29, 2018, 03:28:56 AM
My voltmeter only has 200ma as setting with DC. I figure my circuit will put out around at least 400ma?

Is it okey to use 200ma setting?

It's best not to guess in these situations but be sure!

As far as I know lightplates can be removed and on the back side you'll find the part-number of the lamps used on the plate.

You may find MS90451-6832 which is frequently used.

Searching on the webs shows a current of 115mA per lamp.

Jeffrey

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 29, 2018, 03:37:06 AM
Yeah, i am 100% sure of what i am doing, just that my max reading is 200ma. So measuring all bulbs toghether just gives me 1. =)
So measuring each plate gives me this:

144ma
107ma
139ma
101ma

HAhahha Its 491ma all togehter and 500ma is max / channel on the ULN2803a so its safe for my chip!
Funny thing is that one bulb is out in one plate, so it will incread after change! =) Murphys law! one bulb is about 60ma!

I will have to paralelle two channel, that way i can draw 1 amp with no problem! =)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 29, 2018, 03:42:03 AM
better is to drive two channel with two each panel.
The UNL2803a give so many options of controllig, love this thing! so powerful and ridicoulusly cheap!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: iwik on September 29, 2018, 05:41:46 AM
Kurt,
If you try and pass to much more than the 200ma  you will just probably blow the fuse
that protects the meter. Just multiply the amount of bulbs by 60ma to see what your loading
is.
Good range multimeters are very cheap on ebay. Easily do 10A dc. A must really for any diy
cockpit builder .
Those those chips are cheap driver.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 29, 2018, 07:51:05 AM
Yeah, will invest in a amp meter. That will make my life easier.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on September 29, 2018, 04:15:59 PM
Dont drink and fly kids!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 02, 2018, 04:10:03 PM
Pretty disappointed...
Even with db connectors and cut wires this looks like a mess.

I would like more clean cables from hardware and these should be connected to a custom pcb, now THAT would be nice. But i wont redo this panel, its my first and i will redo it once i have the time. Right now i want my project to move forward.

There will be a power mount connector on thf panel for +5V,+24V and Ground. The usb will be connected to the teensy as is.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Joe Lavery on October 02, 2018, 04:57:33 PM
Hey Kurt -Peter
I think you're being a bit hard on yourself, that looks neat enough to me.  You should see inside some of my panels  :D 8)
Joe
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: archen on October 02, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
I can recommend DB connectors with crimping instead of solder. So much easier and looks great. Little more expensive though but you're gonna make a lot of those connectors :)

Please post some pictures of your pcb. I'm gonna try making some myself and would love to see what yours look like

Skickat från min SM-G955F via Tapatalk

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 03, 2018, 06:26:11 AM
Do you mean my selfbuild pcb or ” to be designed with CAD?”
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: archen on October 03, 2018, 10:33:52 AM
Designed in cad please :-) I'm totally newbee to designing pcb's :)

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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 03, 2018, 10:49:36 AM
Will report back once its exists! Haha newbie myself! :)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 03, 2018, 05:00:02 PM
Tip of the day!

Do not run 24V through your microcontroller.

It gets:

1, very hot
2, very little functionality left

Haha

Poff!

New PCB, i messed up alittle. Thought you only could dim with PWM and not analog, but snalog works just fine so i could have placed the chip closer to the teensy and got rid of all the jumper ables.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 04, 2018, 08:16:16 AM
Work continues...

Finally my first panel is completed. The second one started. Wish i had longer standoffs so it wasnt so tight in the box.

For me, its all about making it simple, cut everything out that isnt needed to make it as clean simple and tight as possible. I want each panel to be a selfcontained box that can eSily be removed if troubleshooting is needed.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 05, 2018, 10:30:19 AM
Note to myself!

Of course it MUST be a PWM output for write analog signal!

Tonight its me, beer and Elec Panel!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 05, 2018, 04:49:54 PM
Haha not exactly groundbraking stuff but still very cool!
Anti Ice panel 100% complete with push to test functionality which i think is really cool.

Made a small video
https://youtu.be/W9OnJaoqAAs
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: archen on October 06, 2018, 01:36:28 AM
OEM korrys is really something else. Looks great! I'm missing some really good korry replicas on the market.

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Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 06, 2018, 02:23:58 AM
Thanks Anders!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 08, 2018, 04:22:10 PM
Db25 completed for the elec panel.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on October 08, 2018, 06:14:16 PM
Isn't that the hydraulic pumps panel?  ;)
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 09, 2018, 01:29:37 AM
Haha thats right!

Having all this gear i have to take my 737 skills to a new level! Any real pilot (or anyone else) is very welcome for procedural training later.

Hows your build Mickc?

Would love some more videos! 😊
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 09, 2018, 04:37:16 PM
Much more happy with this panel.

More slim circuitboard and it is attached at the back and the whole panel can be closed.

Only power cable and usb at the back.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 10, 2018, 04:08:07 PM
Now were talking!
Everything in a neat OEM box!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 10, 2018, 05:08:50 PM
Can only get one backlight at a time to work... wierd...

But ill look into that later.

This is cool!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: mickc on October 11, 2018, 08:36:49 AM
..

Haha thats right!

Having all this gear i have to take my 737 skills to a new level! Any real pilot (or anyone else) is very welcome for procedural training later.

Hows your build Mickc?

Would love some more videos! 😊



Very slow, but at a similar stage to you at the moment....
These still all need to be wired up inside so the connectors have no pins in them
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: 737NGer on October 11, 2018, 09:44:23 AM
Hey Mick, Qantas called...they want their overhead back.

Closest overhead I've ever seen to the real thing....by far!
Title: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: archen on October 11, 2018, 10:18:41 AM
My goodness mickc. That's something for the eye ????

Skickat från min SM-G955F via Tapatalk

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 11, 2018, 10:25:54 AM
Jeeezzz thats the cleanest overhead panel i have ever seen!
So nice with the custom stuff aswell!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 12, 2018, 12:47:09 PM
Package recieved!

This really cheered me up after my PCB failure!

Wow 5/5 and it adds really immersive feeling!
This holder looks awesome!

Thanks very much John!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 12, 2018, 06:20:51 PM
Anti Ice Panel back online, new more sofisticated PCB, still have to solder power connector but then its 100% complete way better than version 1.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 13, 2018, 04:34:48 AM
By the way, if anyone has the correct distance the map chartholder should have from the edge of the glareshield, let me know. Looks like 5-6cm if looking at pictures.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Gallie on October 13, 2018, 08:38:08 AM
7,5 cm
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: blueskydriver on October 13, 2018, 09:07:02 AM
Hey Peter,

I am glad you finally got it and you're happy with it. I was happy too make it for you.  :idiot:

Speaking of which, I would be happy to make this item for anyone else, I got one ready to go and will print a few more this coming week. If you're interested PM me...

John
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 13, 2018, 12:01:15 PM
Thanks again John, and to all others, the quality is extremely nice and if you screw it in place it does not even flex (like some other vendors).
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 13, 2018, 12:02:30 PM
7,5 cm

Great, thanks!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 15, 2018, 05:12:50 PM
New plan for backlight. I will not have dimming func in each panel, instead i will use a hardware dimmer that controls the overhead panel.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: Steenos on October 15, 2018, 05:18:55 PM
Kurt you are a machine!
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 18, 2018, 02:01:05 PM
Every step counts...

Light test switch, 3 positions.
Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 18, 2018, 02:09:43 PM
If anyone has an attend push button laying around, let me know.

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 18, 2018, 02:22:41 PM
One packed unit!

Will start removing the components so there will be nice space for the custom pcb in progress!

Title: Re: 737-800 Arduino X-Plane Build
Post by: kurt-olsson on October 18, 2018, 03:45:38 PM
All parts out.

Keeping the wires makes the interfacing so easy with all the grounds connected to eachother and only 2-4 24V input.

Two sides here, ”keep everything as it is” and ”cut and minimalize”. I know which side i am on.
I think the panel got 1kg lighter without all the boards/resistors and fuses. Hehe