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Started by ScottThePilot, August 16, 2021, 08:22:29 PM
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Quote from: ScottThePilot on August 16, 2021, 08:22:29 PMHello all,Haven't been in here for awhile. Have posted before about update questions for PM on full 737 hardware cockpit I inherited working on. Much better understanding since last post on this some 3 years ago. I tried to "BOLD" the actual questions.I downloaded Navigraph Data for PM (pm_cdunav, pm_gcnav, pm_instnav and pm_qmnav) to do an update. By the way, what is the pm_qmnav used for?My Issue...After dropping in files manually, I think the GC (Glass Cockpit) is where my issue pops up because I can put routes in and see them on the "legs" page and drawn in white on ND displays as I type just fine. Once I hit EXEC, the pink line draws from initial airport and then takes off into infinity in some odd direction never following the route. Sometimes it just doesn't show at all. I flew anyway to test and the Flight Director / AP will follow the course correctly through all waypoints even though they are not visible. Once I turn down final on the ILS, the ILS waypoints reappear magically and are visible until passing them during approach. If I add waypoints while inflight, they appear drawn in white as I type perfectly on ND. Again, once I press EXEC, they disappear from screen and no line is drawn. Legs page is correct with new added waypoints and A/P will follow just fine so I know it is just a drawing issue in the ND.My setup...PC1 - Server: P3Dv4PC2 - PFD/ND for both pilots, Upper & Lower EICASPC3 - Capt CDUPC4 - F/O CDUPC5 - PM Instructor StationPC6 - Various other programs (not PM)Navigraph Update program does not see everything for what ever reason. Maybe permissions but what I now am in charge of. So I drop files in manually in the following manner...PC2 (Pilot displays and EICAS) - drop 3 files into each of the separate directories (\CAPT, \FO, \UPPER, \LOWER) which are "long named" index file, cycle_info, pfd.nav files. Do these 3 files really need to be in the \UPPER and \LOWER directories? I would think not since they are never drawing any routes but thought I would ask. PC3 (Capt CDU) - drop 11 files into the CDU\DATA directory. Some of which are "long named" index file, cycle_info, and a bunch of cdu.* files. I just leave all other files alone.** Do I need to drop any files or make other mods in the netdir also and if so which ones?PC4 (F/O CDU) - Runs using RCDU and has no \Data directory so looks like nothing to update here. Correct?PC5 (instructors) - drop 4 files into the \DATA directory which are "long named" index file, cycle_info, pminst.awy and pminst.dat file. There are 3 very old files in there named world1.wshp, world2.wshp and world3.wshp that I just leave although not sure what they are. Both CDU's are updated because I know a few waypoints that changed in real life. The Instructors station I think updated OK although not sure of how to check that directly while program is running? Thoughts on this?Anyway, now that I know where all the files reside, it seems pretty trivial to drop the files in from the downloads. I just make sure I grab all the downloaded files and have the corresponding files replaced with the new ones. Just don't know why the CDU's appear correct and the ND display will not draw correctly.I am working off the 2107 update which was the most current until I think a day or two ago. I did not update any of the baseline P3D scenery files to fix VOR, ILS etc but that shouldn't matter to PM drawing regular waypoints in the ND correct?Sorry for long post but two final questions... 1. After doing the update, I have 2 listed nav data "dates". The one under "active" is the correct one that ran through Aug 11th of 2021. Not sure where the other date is coming from although it obviously looks like the prior cycle to the one I just loaded. The last cycle that I actually loaded was Jan of 2020 so I know there is no cycle_info file with that date in it. I attached a picture to show. Where does that second line come from?2. I attached a couple more shots from the instructors screen that show versions I am running and also the "magnetic variation" of W13.2 and KSJC. Since I am a real instrument pilot, I use ForeFlight and looked at KSJC which has a magvar of 13.2E. Why does PM show it as W13.2? I am stumped and could probably arrange some renumeration to someone for an hours worth of help to resolve. But I know several of you here have had PM for a lot of years (far more than me) and know this stuff.Thanks in advance for the help.
Quote from: ScottThePilot on August 17, 2021, 04:42:49 PMMr Hale,Glad to converse again...I will go by the numbers back atcha...#1. Old Quick Map obsolete.#2. Interestingly, I can see the NetDir (which is set up on Capt CDU machine as you suggested) and look into it from the other machines. The one machine that I DIDN'T look from is PC2 where PFD/ND are attached. I will take a look at that first thing. Maybe the permissions are messed up from that machine which would allow the CDU's (other machines) to act correctly and relate to P3D so flying is right BUT not draw correct on GC machine. Sadly, still running Windows 7 on most machines. Thanks for that direction.#2a. Side question: You said 5 instances of the GC software in your response. Aren't there only 4 (Capt PFD/ND, F/O PFD/ND, Upper EICAS, Lower EICAS)? What would be the 5th directory on the GC machine?#2b. Side question: Should I try to run pmFileCheck from PC2 which is the GC machine to see if it can really see the NetDir right?#4. Glad that the NetDir is indeed setup on the Capt CDU machine.#5. Roger on the no joy on those "world" files.#5a . I move around all the time to airports using the instructors station and I am sure that the FESTS waypoint will show in the CDU since I am now updated. For that matter, the new KOBEE fix on the KLAX RWY 24R ILS is new and it shows in CDU fine. How do I find/identify a fix using the instructor station? I can find KEVV for sure but how to see the fix to confirm the instructor station got updated? #6. I pretty much knew that PM will use the NavData I just updated so that is not part of the issue. But to make sure that P3D has correct runway alignment and frequencies, one would have to use free source to update those items all over the world directly in P3D. I did this a few years ago and works pretty darn good. #7. I know you weren't able look at the attachment while you were responding. But if you look, you will see the date is the prior cycle release. The current one that PM offers I believe is still many years old in the downloads section. So still a bit puzzled on where that dated cycle comes from.#8. I understand the same as you. Maybe it is the way its written via Europe but geez that sure makes you wonder a bit.Thank you sirs for responding so quickly as I want to make this work right. Will let you know on the NetDir findings and pmFileCheck.Scott
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