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Title: EDDM-EGLL Oktoberfest Express
Post by: Boeing Skunk Works on October 01, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
Shuttling passengers between München and London for Oktoberfest. Only two days left to hoist a Maß!

RIDAR Departure and then direct to TGO (TANGO) VOR to intercept the UN851. After MASEK, it was UL604 to RKN (REKKEN) VOR, then UL480 to the LAM3A arrival to London Heathrow.

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Cruising at FL320 to EGLL

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Approach procedure for 27L/R 09L/R after LAM for Heathrow. This is the no-radar approach and is always a handful, especially while trying to snap pictures through a descending 'S' turn and maintaining speed while working the flaps and gear to roll out for the runway...

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A shot across the FO out the right side. London at night...

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"One thousand feet"...


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"Five hundred feet" There was an MD-80 on the parallel but we seem to have lost him somewhere out there.

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Clear of 27L, taxi to the stand please...

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And back in London once again. THis time at stand 206 using the mirrors to spot my aircraft to the jetway. A little short on help at this late hour I guess. Nice flight. The return trip to EDDM is in the morning. This was the last flight of the night for Lufthansa from Munich. If you missed this one there is a Condor flight at 0030, and Air Berlin at 0220.

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Title: Re: EDDM-EGLL Oktoberfest Express
Post by: XOrionFE on October 02, 2010, 02:23:14 AM
Give that man a good brew!!   Nice work Mike.

That approach looks real fun...especially that S turn and drop of 3000 ft during it.   I wonder why they just do have a turn to the south out of the hold at LAM to the intercept.  Why the S turn?   Is that because of the needed spacing for dropping altitude or is there something directly south of LAM that they are trying to avoid?

Scott
Title: Re: EDDM-EGLL Oktoberfest Express
Post by: Boeing Skunk Works on October 02, 2010, 04:19:20 AM
I'm not sure why it's done like that for no-radar. LAM is on Stapleford airfield so I'd give them several thousand feet for that, but as for the S turn I don't really know, unless there's not enough distance to get down from 7,000' on a dogleg from LAM to the ILS. London City airport is sort of close too.

The procedure is the same coming from BIG, just opposite.

The turns aren't as steep as they look on the chart. It's just trying to get all of the headings and DME and altitude to match what's on the chart while performing this approach is what's fun to juggle. You have to be above 6,000', 15DME from BNN, and heading 129° by the end of the first turn.

Start the next turn 19DME BNN and be down to or above 3,500' by the 134° heading from BNN and continue down while turning to 272°

The slope from 6,000' is 3° so it's just like a glideslope without the indication. There's just a little more to do.
Title: Re: EDDM-EGLL Oktoberfest Express
Post by: XOrionFE on October 02, 2010, 02:46:51 PM
I'll have to note that as one to try sometime.   Looks fun.
Title: Re: EDDM-EGLL Oktoberfest Express
Post by: ETomlin on October 04, 2010, 04:08:42 AM
Definately...I dont do much flying in Europe but Ive been wanting to make a trip over there and this sounds like a must-do leg.

One more thing- I always appreciate folks coming in and discussing the FLYING aspect of their sim. It's what is most fun to me. I really dont like building much at all. Reading these kinds of posts always make me want to go fire up the Learjet and punch holes in the sky. Thanks Mike!
Title: Re: EDDM-EGLL Oktoberfest Express
Post by: Boeing Skunk Works on October 04, 2010, 05:28:46 AM
Well, to be quite frank, I think I'm the only one that does besides Mike and he's doing it for real.

I wish more folks would post a few shots and descriptions of their flights. I think we sometimes forget what it's all about in the end.