The brand new 737TQ from RS getting applauded even before it's release. Ian S. who we all "know" went to Paris to get a clue about the feel of it and ordered one right away.
Take a look at the promo video at their website, and make up your own mind. It sure made up mine;)
There is a FSWeekend special offer witch can save you some hard earned â,¬. They report that they can not deliver at the show in Lelystad because the amount of orders, but the offer still stands.
I'm looking forward to get a chanse to get the feel of it at FEWeekend.Mine won't be delivered until 3-4 weeks later.
http://revolution-simproducts.com/ (http://revolution-simproducts.com/)
Naxx,
I have seen Ian's posts and I too was amazed.. I must admit, next to Art's (Northern Flight Sim's) TQ's this has to be the best TQ on the market today. What intrigued me the most, was their discussions of the clutch mechanism that allows the pilot to grab the throttle and override the A/T without causing damage.
Top notch stuff. Please let us know how you get on with it when you receive it. I am curious to find out what kind of software is required to make it tick.
Trev
Regarding software I use FlightDeckSoftware (FDS). Bart from FDS has been involved during development of the TQ to make sure there is 100% compability between the cockpit software and TQ.
The fact that FDS was contacted before PM is a good pointer of how serious FDS is getting in the market. It's really a good challenger for PM in functionality and price.
As mentioned by Mike in another post, FDS is still under development but it's a fully functional software today as well. It's now being fine tuned and continually adding hardware support from different vendors.
The TQ supports for the time beeing the PMDG737NG, default 737 and FDS. PM and the Ariane 737 is in the pipeline. It's controlled via SIOC scripts.
I had my hands on this throttle yesterday.
It is still missing support by Flightdecksoftware for the trimwheels. Simply because Flightdecksoftware does not output that data (yet).
Same problem goes for Project magenta and Sim-avionics.
Actually the only software the trimwheels work correct with is the pmdg 737.
The throttle is much better than the symulatory/cockpit sonic/FSC throttle (which is basically all the same symulatory throttle).
However it is not as sturdy as i had expected it based on previous reports.
Most structural parts are made from dibond (2 thin layers of aluminium with a plastic foam inbetween), but also alot of pvc.
Electronics are 1 open cockpit card and one bodnar X card.
Seeing this one i look very much forward to see the open cockpits throttle, being almost full metal with machined aluminium levers.
Stef
True Stef.
Each tq from each diff supplier is a lovely thing to behold...
If they accurately replicate the real thing...then sturdiness and cold metallic feel/sound is the key.
my experience with reproduced tq's is thoughts on the flimsiness, i noticed it alot.
having said that...im not sure if people realise how wonky (fair amount of play/slop/tolerance) but very strong/sturdy the real thing is.
we always have ideals about how the real one would feel and put it on a pedestal, but alas..
Wow Stef, I was under the impression that the revolution TQ was all Metal construction.. Interesting.. and thanks for pointing out that it still has a lot of PVC in it.
Nax, if it is SIOC, will the user be required to write his own code for it, or will it come with the correct script?
Very good information, thanks to all for posting.
Trev
Quote from: dnoize on October 22, 2009, 12:52:26 AM
Most structural parts are made from dibond (2 thin layers of aluminium with a plastic foam inbetween), but also alot of pvc.
Stef
I noticed that on the flap gate and it looked like a laminate of some kind but I couldn't identify it.
I have to add that the texture of the paint is nearly spot-on. I don't know how they managed that but it looks great.
There is a bit of 'roughness' on the bottom of the throttle levers where they enter the housing too. The parts they formed for the various panels looks really good and accurate too. Especially the trim indicator panels.
Not a bad price actually for what looks to be a very usable piece of kit. Though with the exception of the moving trim wheels, I think I still prefer the way I built mine. Like a tank.
Quote from: Trevor Hale on October 22, 2009, 02:59:58 AM
Nax, if it is SIOC, will the user be required to write his own code for it, or will it come with the correct script?
Trev
I got my hands on the initial manual and it describes the interfacing. The TQ comes completely wired and with 2 - two - cards with one USB each. The cards are one OC witch explains the SIOC bit, and one leobodnar card for the axis.
FDS will supply internal support or have the scripts for download in their downloadsection. One or another, you don't have to write the script by your self, but there is some adjustments via SIOC program to be made. They have it shown with text and pics in the manual.
PMDG is the only model/software that already have the offsets to get the trimwheels running, but both PM and FDS will implement these offsets in a few weeks.
Great News.. Thanks.. I am sure compared to my FSC Throttle this would beat it hands down.
Trev
gentlemen, good day......
sorry for my late arrival in this thread, but i've been away on yet another holiday. life's a bitch isn't it :D
first point, i have to agree with stef, this unit beats the Symulatory TQ hands down on appearance. i have a Symulatory TQ and i've been and seen these being built. but looks aren't everything. for my money i want more than that.
second point, no servo's used, just a drive system using DC motors so interaction with the TQ with A/T engaged will not cause damage. in fact levers can be moved at any time.
third point, nax is quite correct, 2 cards. one bodnar card drives the axes, fuel levers and pushbuttons and OC card drives the automation. installation of the software is pretty straightforward because the manual has a 'blow by blow' account of how to do it.
the one i saw and played with in Paris worked and felt really good. there were some minor blemishes, but we are not talking about Boeing here, just two guys in Paris hand making every one.
as well as the FDS, PM etc interfacing, i also spoke to the guys at Sim Avionics (because that's what i'm going to use for my upgrade) who were very keen to offer assistance to get it working with that suite as well.
final point, mine was supposed to be here monday, but i spoke to eren yesterday and it is going to be delayed by a couple of days because they have redesigned the side walls to give it more stability. but trust me, as soon as it arrives, i'll be putting it to work and will advise.
have a great day chaps.......
rgds ... ian
Slightly off topic but :
Quote from: ian@737ng.co.uk on October 24, 2009, 09:22:39 PM
i also spoke to the guys at Sim Avionics (because that's what i'm going to use for my upgrade)
You made a decision which way you are going... Out with the PMDG then (except for the model)?
Look forward to your updates about the TQ...
Cheers
Mike
Just had a one day session with Bart from flightdecksoftware yesterday to discuss quite a few things. Among others this throttle:
* Ours uses the bodnar card only for the switches. All axes and the dc motors are done by the open cockpits dc motors card.
* This means you have to configure seperately. Axes and dc motors in SIOC.exe and all switches of the bodnar in FSUIPC. Im not a big fan of using seperate interfaces for one unit.
A sioc script for Flightdecksoftware was supplied but needed quite some work to finish. Appearently the driver for pmdg is great.
Hopefully the needed actions to get sioc to work is in the manual, but we didnt receive a manual with it (it was personally delivered by Eren last week)
Trim wheels did not work in flightdecksoftware, simply because the logics are not provided by the software. This is not Revolution-sims fault. nothing they can do about that.
Appearently trim wheels only work correctly in pmdg
* We managed to get the levers to work, but engine 1 lever is defective as it doesnt keep up with engine two. Both levers seemed jumpy, and as said. engine one too slow, which resulted in differential thrust. over 8% differential thrust should disconnect the autothrottle, but this didnt happen. probably a flaw in the sioc script.
* wiring was not done very professionally ( and thats an understatement). 4 wires got loose during transit.
* Big dissapointment for me: the thrust levers dont use the entire way to the back. the travel of the used slider pots is simply not long enough. However, the way its build, it does look as if you can push the levers all the way back. I forsee people forcing levers down and breaking parts here.
* although everything is better than plastic, dibond is subject to wear and tear when used for mechanical parts. Especially when no bearings are used.
* No clutches are used, but Eren told us they are looking into that for future units.
I made a video of the levers and some pictures. Will try to have them posted later.
We have spoken to Eren and he is going to replace our unit on the fsweekend. appearently we received a preproduction unit and im confident the retail units will have these problems solved.
My final verdict: For home use, with someone who takes good care of it, it is a fine unit. I'm sure most of the flaws mentioned above are exemplary and will be solved in the retail units, otherwise i foresee alot of support work for them.
@NAX: also discussed CS support with bart. Bart is still waiting for CS to supply him with information for their new driver. Level of support will be the same as for the CPflight mipboard. Parts not working there, simply do not have the logics integrated in his software yet. We made a wishlist and everything will be incorporated for the mip737 board . Once logics are incorporated a port to CS shouldnt be much trouble provided CS suplies him with the needed information.
Fantastic reading.. I really enjoyed that Stef. This is exactly the type of thing I like to read. I am so happy that Eren is going to make this right. From a business standpoint that is fantastic. I really hope the replacement unit makes up for the shortfalls you noted.
I am looking forward to hearing also what Ian experiences.
Best regards,
Trev
Unfortunately my comments have been taken WAY too negatively by some.
I was simply giving my personal opinion based on hands on experience. This was by no means 'vendor bashing' in any way.
Just some points of criticizm that is being worked on !
I still think this throttle beats the symulatory TQ hands down !
(especially now that i've heard Trevors story about haunted throttles and exploding servo's ;-) )
i did end with the quote below for a reason !
QuoteMy final verdict: For home use, with someone who takes good care of it, it is a fine unit. I'm sure most of the flaws mentioned above are exemplary and will be solved in the retail units
Stef
Quote from: dnoize on October 26, 2009, 12:34:01 AM
Unfortunately my comments have been taken WAY too negatively by some.
I was simply giving my personal opinion based on hands on experience. This was by no means 'vendor bashing' in any way.
Just some points of criticizm that is being worked on !
I still think this throttle beats the symulatory TQ hands down !
(especially now that i've heard Trevors story about haunted throttles and exploding servo's ;-) )
i did end with the quote below for a reason !
QuoteMy final verdict: For home use, with someone who takes good care of it, it is a fine unit. I'm sure most of the flaws mentioned above are exemplary and will be solved in the retail units
Stef
I for one never took it as bashing. Thaks for all the info Stef!!
If you were in the market for a throttle unit and had your credit card primed for action you would be begging Stef for more.
clear and to the point.
For those people who read this thread and may have taken it as vendor bashing, might I point out why it was allowed.
#1. It was a real personal experience by someone. (not hearsay)
#2. It was to the point and very clear and there was no unnecisary additions.
#3. I like that he informed us that he contacted the vendor, and they are going to "Make it right"
#4. Everyone can find this information very useful and beneficial.
If anyone has an issue with the post, Please PM me.
Other then that.. "Kudos Stef" I appreciate your writing, and I think it is great that Revolution is going to fix the problems for you guys. Shows they care about their reputation.
Trev
Good to see they're taking this seriously. Hopefully I will get the 'updated' version aswell because I'm picking mine up in 2 weeks at the FSWeekend in Lelystad.
Wasn't this a coproduction with FlyEngravity Stef?
No it wasnt. Although FE has been in close touch since the beginning.
I am very confident that all the comments i mentioned will be adressed before FSweekend.
We have been in touch with Eren on saturday (so prior to my post here) and i must say the the Rev-sim crew is very cooperative in all respects. I have no doubt that in 2 weeks everyone will see a great unit working in lelystad.
Stef
have i got this blank expression on my face :laugh:
mine arrived so i connected it up to my test rig to check it out.
pics are here http://www.737ng.co.uk/help.htm (http://www.737ng.co.uk/help.htm) . i've spent a couple of days playing with (no i mean seriously evaluating) it.
cosmeticly, it beats the Symulatory TQ hands down for looks. level of finish is
about the same, but the attention to detail is far better.
the flap gate, by the way is cut from aluminium.
setup took me 30 minutes from connecting it to driving the 73 down a runway.
you do need to install SIOC, but there is no coding. all i had to do was drop the supplied script file into the SIOC folder and tell SIOC to use it in the .ini file.
the manual goes into detail about how to do this, so no worries.
the auto functions are controlled by SIOC. but the button functions are controlled thru one of leo's cards which you assign in FSUIPC. that does mean a bit of extra work and two usb connections, but hey, the end result is well worth it.
comes complete with it's own power supply.
my initial reaction is very positive.
so how does it perform? in one word - flawlessly.
i've nothing to compare it with so maybe that's a good thing :D
but to me the movement of the levers was quite smooth following the power requirement constantly. i kept putting the aircraft in climbs and descents and just sat there watching them - transfixed :D (ok, bit sad really, but there was nothing on the TV, i wanted to watch)
and the trim wheels just blew me away. operating exactly how i expected. they even operated when you input trim manually from the yoke switch.
and finally, the spoiler lever - WOW.
i have had a look inside it (well you have to don't you). the engineering is very clever. although i do agree with stef that the wiring could be tidier. eren tells me they are looking at developing a printed circuit board for it, but need to sell some to take development forward.
so, all in all, i am very satisfied with the unit. it performed well and has been on constant 'test' ( :D ) since i got it.
if you are going to lelystad, go see this........
sorry lads got to go, i have a date with the LOC/DME 26 at LOWI :D
regards ... ian
Quote from: ian@737ng.co.uk on November 03, 2009, 05:37:28 PMcosmeticly, it beats the Symulatory TQ hands down for looks. level of finish is about the same, but the attention to detail is far better.
It absolutely does.
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setup took me 30 minutes from connecting it to driving the 73 down a runway.
you do need to install SIOC, but there is no coding. all i had to do was drop the supplied script file into the SIOC folder and tell SIOC to use it in the .ini file.
With the PMDG it works excellent. So for pmdg flyers this is the throttle to have !
Quote
the manual goes into detail about how to do this, so no worries.
the auto functions are controlled by SIOC. but the button functions are controlled thru one of leo's cards which you assign in FSUIPC. that does mean a bit of extra work and two usb connections, but hey, the end result is well worth it.
Excellent, ours didnt come with a manual so we were a bit handycapped.
Quote
but to me the movement of the levers was quite smooth following the power requirement constantly. i kept putting the aircraft in climbs and descents and just sat there watching them - transfixed :D (ok, bit sad really, but there was nothing on the TV, i wanted to watch)
and the trim wheels just blew me away. operating exactly how i expected. they even operated when you input trim manually from the yoke switch.
and finally, the spoiler lever - WOW.
Excellent. Trim wheels only works good with pmdg right now. But thats something Rev-Sim cant do anything about as this logics has to come from the software used with the throttle.
Flightdecksoftware has not implemented this yet, and with PM it doesnt work correctly either. But as said before, this is not Rev-Sims fault. Nothing they can do about that.
Quotei have had a look inside it (well you have to don't you). the engineering is very clever. although i do agree with stef that the wiring could be tidier. eren tells me they are looking at developing a printed circuit board for it, but need to sell some to take development forward.
Thats very good news.
Quoteso, all in all, i am very satisfied with the unit. it performed well and has been on constant 'test' ( :D ) since i got it.
All in all great news. Its obvious the throttle has been worked on and i have no doubts all issues with ours will be solved also.
Have a good time with the new toy.
Stef
Great news! Can't wait to pick mine up this Sunday in Lelystad ;D
Glad to read this "review" Ian. Mine is still a couple of weeks down the road I guess, but can't wait to get it in hand. Lelystad will release some pressure to, as I get to take a first look and hopefully try it out to.
I still got quite some work to do to get the pit flyable and therefore put it in use, but this sure put pressure on me and thats really when things get done.
:rock: Cheers Ian, Thanks for taking the time to get back to us with your conclusions.. I appreciate it immensely.
Trev
no worries trev.......
just a little update on progress. the bride went out and instead going to the supermarket, i thought the time could be better served in the workshop :D
so i hooked up the backlighting and connected the TQ to a network computer in my cockpit. so, she gets home to find me sat in the workshop with all the lights off wearing a big grin.....see for yourself, pics of backlighting up
http://www.737ng.co.uk/help.htm (http://www.737ng.co.uk/help.htm)
BTW, my punishment was to go to the supermarket this afternoon :-\
nothing until next week now, off to lelystad for the show......things to see if you are going
1. Revolution TQ
2. Mark Deponeo and Dave Holt at the 737NG booth with the Auto 737 systems logic (i'm in on this) :D
3. Me, i'll be around the Flyware booth with Gert.
and Peter Dowson will be with us, so now's your chance to speak to the main man
have a great weekend chaps......
rgds ... ian
Cheers Ian, Have a great time, and remember.. don;t drink too much Beer! If that is even possible.. LOL.
That back lighting looks great!
Trev
hi trev.......
that's what i like about you, the conversation always leads to beer ;D
wish i lived next door to you. i could bring beer round to yours ;D
yes, we'll have a good one.....
rgds ... ian
Looks amazing Ian. I am pretty sure that I will order one at the show! Beats the Symulatory TQ I have for function alone, never mind lighting, build etc.
Also looking forward to seeing the Overhead project. I have an Engravity Overhead that I am about to start building. Perfect timing.
Only 2 days to go woo hoo
LOL.. All I can say is... :cheers: Hey, if you can't share beer with people close to you, then what is the point LOL.
Wise man say.. "There is no such thing as a bad beer....., Some are just better then others" LOL
Ian
What is the future on the OVH Project? mean will it be commercially available, what does the product consist of?
I wanted to emulate my OVH based on circuits (gates, timers etc). This project seems much better, details?
I know it is going to be on display but I am stuck here and wont be able to go.
Quote from: jackpilot on November 05, 2009, 07:29:21 AM
I know it is going to be on display but I am stuck here and wont be able to go.
Life sucks, doesn't it ;D
We'll have a beer and think of you.
GRTZ
JWS
Quote from: JWS on November 06, 2009, 04:29:41 AM
Life sucks, doesn't it ;D
We'll have a beer and think of you.
Sounds like Love to me LOL... ;D
I Had a long chat with Eren on FSweekend (all great guys btw) and i want to have mentioned here that the unit they had with them in Lelystad and that they are retailing now is a completely different (read upgraded unit) compared to the one we had.
All my criticizm was allready worked on and they are working on a solution for the wiring.
Appearently we received a pre-production unit to be tested with the Flightdecksoftware, which was going to be replaced after. The language barrier (french-english-dutch), caused some miscommunication there.
So all i can say now is: Go for it. Great throttle.
My personal opinion:
the revolution sim throttle and the Open Cockpits throttle (because i really liked that one also) are a HUGE improvement over the throttles that were available before.
Anyone here wants to buy a real 737-200 throttle ? ;-)
Stef
I also got to try out the feel of the TQ in Lelystad and compare it to the TQ coming from OC soon. I was glad to see that the price span vs. the feel & look of the TQ didn't make me wander if I had made the right choice. I have.
The movement of the throttle levers on the OC TQ was a bit ... chumpy... You can feel the motors "clicking" and it how it was set up it also felt to hard, to much resistance. Since it's not released yet they have time to finetune it, so this might be better when it's up for sale.
I was also glad to not recognize the faults described earlier in the post.
4 weeks left to wait...
On a side note I decided I like some of the DIY aspects of throttle building in that I like to be fully aware of all components so if something breaks I can fix myself. I also like the idea of all metal or mostly metal construction on components. To this end I decided to go with the Simparts.de DIY kit. I have an order placed with Jorg. This will allow me to integrate with a bodnar board and OC servo and motor cards and again be fully aware of all aspects of the unit. Just an idea for anyone who wants a third choice and may have overlooked the Simparts kit.
Scott
I spoke to Eren from Revolution Simproducts today and following the feedback they got at Lelystadt last weekend, they will be making a few changes to the throttle to enhance it even further. Most important change will be metal throttle levers in stead of composite, and a change to the TOGA buttons.
The interior wiring will be more clean, and the opencockpit pcb's will get a heatsink for better cooling.
I'm aboslutely amazed by the level of dedication from these guys and there openess to communicate with their customers.
To correct myself, they don't see me or you as a customer, but as a fellow cockpit enthousiast and as a friend!
Regards,
Thomas
Well the same goes for me. The TQ that was on display at Lelystad was the one I already bought. But a.o. due to delivery problems the guys from Revolution were only able to get 1 TQ to the FS Weekend. They took it back to Paris for some improvements after the weekend. As Thomas said, they are very dedicated.
JWS
Good decision on the use of metal for the throttle levers. I never even considered plastic when I built mine. No way, no how.
I sent a mail to RS yesterday to hear how they intended to deal with the problems mentioned earlier.
I also said I was willing to wait longer for the TQ to be shipped if that meant I would get a updated TQ.
The answer was that ALL TQs would be updated so I wouldn't envy my mate who ordered more recently.
Good service!!!
Almost everything that i have mentioned in my post has allready been addressed in the versions they had with them in lelystad.
The throttle on display there was completely upgraded to the one i tested (which was a preproduction version, but this was miscommunicated).
All i can say now: Great throttle at a great price !
Stef
Today I got really excited!! Just finished a skype video session with Eren, showing off the TQ Pro version.
What is different in the pro? all metal inside, speedbrake arm, parking brake disconnect, 100% exact replica trim wheels...
A website update is coming soon.
Can't wait till Wednesday 'cause I'm off to Paris then to go and pick up my baby :D
I Have seen parts of the latest metal revision too....
One word: Magnificent !!
They have done an excellent job on machining the new parts !
Cant wait to receive our new throttle.
Stef
I've had the pleasure of some sneak previews as well and boy, you guys are going to be in for a surprise. Yes you may start drooling now.
JWS
Oh boy, Oh boy.. I can't wait to see pictures of this bad boy. Please keep us all posted.
Trev
I just got home from Paris with the first 737 TQ Pro to leave the workshop.
It is an amazing product and the guys (Eren & Oral) give top notch service!!
I'll keep you updated and try and post some pics aswell
:idiot:
Cool, and yes. Pics, Pics, Pics.. I can;t wait to see this baby.
Trev
Ian.
If you would live next to Trevor this is what would happen to you ;)
Drunk Airplane Pilot - Foster Brooks - Dean Martin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IGUuVQ_7ZY#)
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still laughing!! I remeber that when I was a kid.... But oh my.......
LMAO.... Hilarious.. That has to be one of my favorite skits.. I love it. Thanks for posting.
Just received my TQ from Revolution. My thoughts an opinions about the company and their TQ is in several recent posts on my blog:
http://www.my737sim.com (http://www.my737sim.com)
The most recent pretty much says it all, but in short, this was the best sim building experience of my life, and I would recommend them without hesitation.
Matt
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capt. riggins, good day sir..........
;D ;D ;D well i guess you are happy then. i had the first production prototype of this TQ and it was good. and now there are all the improvements done, no looking back.
i'm off to paris next thursday to meet up with Eren to discuss some more 'innovative' ideas for the future.
stay tuned.......
regards to all .... ian
Lets get this post into topic again.
What order number did you have my737sim?
I think I have order #11. Shouldn't be to long now...
Quote from: NAX228 on January 15, 2010, 02:36:56 AM
Lets get this post into topic again.
What order number did you have my737sim?
I think I have order #11. Shouldn't be to long now...
Actually don't think I had an order number. I just emailed them, said how much, and paypaled it to them heh. I ordered mine Nov 26th.
Overall I'm very pleased with this TQ, it looks great and is performing well, despite UPS dropping it. Thankfully the damage was minor and Eren was great in dealing with me, not only through the whole process, but he really wanted to help me out.
Great guy, I'm definitely promoting them from this day forward.
Matt
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hi Guys, since last Thursday I have my TQ Pro at home and I thought it's a good idea to share my experiences so far.
I originally ordered the TQ in September, due delivery at Lelystad beginning November. But after the many suggestions they got there, they gave me the option to wait for a revision, which I did. It has took them a little bit longer because many items where changed (eg aluminium inside mechanism, flaps, spoilers and levers) but it was definitely worth the wait. And then in December they told me they were working on a Pro version with auto spoiler, manual trim and a parking brake which springs back when you push the brakes, so I asked them if I could upgrade my TQ to a pro version. No problem, but just a little longer waiting.
But then Eren called me: Thomas, your TQ is ready! So there I was driving to Paris.
Left Brussels around 6AM in the morning and was driving under Charles de Gaulle runway (LFPG) around 8.45am, great view by the way. After a little traffic jam, I arrived at Erens place around 10AM. After many video skype sessions, I was anxious to finally see my TQ and the workshop in real life!
I was in for a big surprise: a beauty was awaiting me. This is not only a throttle, it is more, it is a piece of art :laugh: It really looks stunning, and the feeling you have when pushing forward the levers is awesome. Still now, sitting at my desk, I like to move them forward, backwards, reverse, just for the feeling (yeah you can call me a bit crazy ;) )
After finalizing my TQ Pro, and lots of testing I was returning home around 5PM with my TQ in the boot and a little box with some surprises: a real Boeing 737 pin and 2 name tags to put on the side: "Capt Thomas".
The drive back was 3h but I must say it felt like 6. Got home, plugged in the TQ and was ready for some serious testing. Installation was not difficult, I got a pdf manual that takes you step by step through all the required actions. The 3 USB cables needed no drivers, auto recognition. Now I was ready to launch FS2004 and SIOC.
But then I ran into a little trouble: there were conflicting inputs when I pushed the levers forward and on after a reboot then it were the reverses who didn't work. So I hit up skype and called Eren and Oral and we had a crossloop session to figure out the issue. Finally we came to the conclusion that it had to be a Windows 7 issue because the TQ worked flawlessly in there workshop on XP. So i plugged in an old hard disk, put Windows XP back on and fired up FS and yeeeeeaaah it worked perfectly :laugh: :laugh:
So my fellow colleague's, be aware that there is a compatibility problem with Windows 7!
Now I have been flying with it for 2 days and here are my findings: It has allready changed my way of flying big time! Watching the levers go to takeoff power in 5 sec (as in reality) is a beauty, watching them move in a synchronized way during flight is even better, but what is really exciting is when you put the wheels on the ground and pull the thrust reverse and then see the spoiler go down automatically. And as a bonus: go again to normal engines and give a bit of thrust and the spoilers come back to normal position 8)
But here comes the best part: the mechanical locks with the thrust reverse. Move the throttle out of idle and the reverses are blocked. When you have shut down one engine, and the fuel lever is in cutoff position, then the reverse of that engine is blocked as well, even in idle.
Oh one other recommendation I have to make: the TQ comes with bolt down features. It is recommended to bolt it down to your cockpit floor because you need some power to move those levers forward. It certainly has not a cheap joystick feeling where you can go full thrust with one finger ;)
The guys at Revolution-Simproducts have made one hell of a TQ, but what really makes them special is the service they give. Any problem you have, just skype and they figure it out. All in all I am one really happy customer, and a happy customer always come back ;)
Here are some pics:
http://picasaweb.google.be/thomas.billiouw/RevolutionSimproducts737TQPro#5428164589258316898 (http://picasaweb.google.be/thomas.billiouw/RevolutionSimproducts737TQPro#5428164589258316898)
http://picasaweb.google.be/thomas.billiouw/RevolutionSimproducts737TQPro#5428164639448570722 (http://picasaweb.google.be/thomas.billiouw/RevolutionSimproducts737TQPro#5428164639448570722)
http://picasaweb.google.be/thomas.billiouw/RevolutionSimproducts737TQPro#5428164530929661042 (http://picasaweb.google.be/thomas.billiouw/RevolutionSimproducts737TQPro#5428164530929661042)
http://picasaweb.google.be/thomas.billiouw/RevolutionSimproducts737TQPro#5428164687241081250 (http://picasaweb.google.be/thomas.billiouw/RevolutionSimproducts737TQPro#5428164687241081250)
enjoy your flights
Thomas
Thomas, what a wonderful review.. Thanks for the pictures and advice.. Sounds like a great product. Most importantly, it sounds like 10000 times better quality then my FSC TQ.
Best regards, and happy landings.
Trev
WOW
Thanks for your nice review. Very good reading.
This looks like a serious piece of hardware. Very detailed. Scale looks perfect. Had to look several times at the speedbrake handle. Its like candy to me :P
I can understand why you are smiling on the photo. You have good reason to smile :)
Now we are hoping for a video :P
Hopefully they will make it PM and win7 compatible also. By the way it looks, no one is even close to this machine.
Thanks for the review Thomas.
Revolution Sim is honouring their name. This throttle is a real revolution compared to the competition and its also a great improvement over the first version.
Look forward for a test review in combination with flightdecksoftware and PM.
Get to work thomas :-)
Well done Rev Sim team !!
Thats Eren btw with the grin next to the throttle...not thomas ;-)
Stef
hi, thanks for the comments!
I would say, if your interested, head over to their site for a look ;)
Stef's right, that is not me in the last picture, but Eren (the hardware specialist)
I made some video's this morning of an aborted takeoff run with TOGA and of a landing with the auto-spoiler
Revolution-Simproducts 737 TQ pro - demo of TOGA and aborted takeoff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3jFdta5NL4#)
Great video. It tells the story very good. Very good stuff. I am going for a bank tonight. Anyone joining? ;D
Quote from: ivar hestnes on January 19, 2010, 06:39:29 AM
Great video. It tells the story very good. Very good stuff. I am going for a bank tonight. Anyone joining? ;D
Your having a what tonight?
Quote from: ivar hestnes on January 19, 2010, 06:39:29 AM
Great video. It tells the story very good. Very good stuff. I am going for a bank tonight. Anyone joining? ;D
Um..... Ya know, they put you in jail for that! :) :huh:
PHIL: BANK not w_nk you tit, lol
Rob, plunder, steal, get all their cash ::)
Oh goodie can I join? ;)
I had to remove the landing video because I did not properly demonstrate the Speedbrake Arm function.
If I have the time, I'll make one tonight, otherwise in the next coming days.
Thomas
whatever is wrong with you lot.....
what ivar actually said was (quote):
"I am going for a bank tonight." and " Rob, plunder, steal, get all their cash"
he's going to rob a bank, whatever did you think he meant ;D
but fair play, Bob got the idea "Um..... Ya know, they put you in jail for that!"
hope he gets away with it then he can spoil us all with a cockpitbuilders.com
bash. (sorry made me laugh this one).
have a great evening chaps.... ian
hehehe, good one Ian ;D
Just shot 2 more videos this morning. The first one is a departure out of EBBR RWY02, climbing straight ahead to 2500ft and 230kts, when level a right turn. The second one is an ILS landing RWY25L, starting at 180kts and reducing to 135kts whilst bringing down the flaps. Upon main gear touchdown you can see the autospoiler deploying. At the very end I put the parking brake on and you can see why you have to bolt the TQ to the ground ;)
One more thing: when the speed is reducing on the ILS, you see the throttle levers moving a lot. This happens because it is the PMDG logic driving the autothrottle and thus the TQ. I will test later with FlighDeckSoftware.
B737 takeoff demonstratation with Revolution-Simproducts TQ 737 Pro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNDOF6M64e8#)
B737 landing at EBBR with Revolution-Simproducts 737 TQ Pro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lXD0RhgVsk#)
Looks like one heck of a neat product.. I would love to stand it next to my FSC TQ and see how it measures up. I bet it was 100% worth the extra pennies.
Great stuff Thomas.
Trev
hello chaps......
i was in Paris, thursday with Eren at Revolution discussing some 'stuff' and i was looking at the construction of the New ProLine TQ. have a look at these, shows the all aluminium construction.
very nice, feels so realistic in operation.
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.737ng.co.uk%2Frev_alu2.jpg&hash=41369202c233f865c7254b5278a08d45edfe71d8)
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.737ng.co.uk%2Frev_alu1.jpg&hash=e7427b3afe15f2e66995790774c25a188ec6f31a)
and there's more ;D they have a couple of new 'projects' under development as well.
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.737ng.co.uk%2Fseat-rev_sim_small.jpg&hash=aac53af21aa9661ec0a2ab85fddeacc286b3c194)
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.737ng.co.uk%2Fyoke_rev_proto_small.jpg&hash=0efb1ef4b5e9ac6e913ea468cbce5cc44fe7e52c)
i got to see the new seat (IPECO type) which is still in the final stages of development.
going to be available in Grey Leather or with a sheepskin facia. pricing i'm told will be
aggressive (i like that).
forgot to mention that the seat will be fully adjustable and have a metal frame.... no
plastic or MDF here chaps.......
but what really did it for me was the 'Auto Yoke System'. This is only in prototype,
but how come nobody thought about this before. there i am spellbound, watching the
yoke follow the inputs from the Autopilot. again this is still in prototype and i'll go back
to Paris when they have a working dual 'pre-production' setup.
i won't say anything about Rudder Pedals because i only saw the parts ;D
great day out and pleasure to see some dedicated people looking at new products from
a different perspective.....
there's a couple of other photo's on my news page
have a great day chaps ..... ian
Looks Exciting Ian.
I would have to say that in Europe the ability to travel from country to country seems to be like going on a decent drive. Glad you were able to bring these pictures to us.
Thanks a bunch.
Trev
Trev, London to Paris, thats like Boston to NY, you can even take the train these days under the Channel.
Oh geeze.. that is really neat.. I guess some people like me don't realize how big Canada and the USA are when you compare them to small countries like those in europe. I mean, take for example, the entire population of Canada, lives in New York city.
I was never a geography major LOL.
Yep. A 50 minute flight from London to Paris. An hour at best.
Anywhere is Germany is no more than two hours from anywhere else. London to Munich in 2.2. Oktoberfest here I come!
Quote from: ian@737ng.co.uk on January 23, 2010, 10:31:28 PM
hello chaps......
i was in Paris, thursday with Eren at Revolution discussing some 'stuff' and i was looking at the construction of the New ProLine TQ.
and there's more ;D they have a couple of new 'projects' under development as well.
i got to see the new seat (IPECO type) which is still in the final stages of development.
going to be available in Grey Leather or with a sheepskin facia. pricing i'm told will be
aggressive (i like that).
forgot to mention that the seat will be fully adjustable and have a metal frame.... no
plastic or MDF here chaps.......
but what really did it for me was the 'Auto Yoke System'. This is only in prototype,
but how come nobody thought about this before. there i am spellbound, watching the
yoke follow the inputs from the Autopilot. again this is still in prototype and i'll go back
to Paris when they have a working dual 'pre-production' setup.
i won't say anything about Rudder Pedals because i only saw the parts ;D
great day out and pleasure to see some dedicated people looking at new products from
a different perspective.....
there's a couple of other photo's on my news page
have a great day chaps ..... ian
Hi Ian,
I understand that you have contributed to the new cables in my TQ. Thanks. ;D
I guess you have not signed a nondisclosure agreement. ::)
Regards,
JWS
So, finally after to many years waiting i have done my choice of TQ to use with my sim, only need to wait for the PM compatibility to order the PRO LINE TQ from Revolution Simproducts...thanks for the pics Ian and the videos fly_ebos ! ;)