Oasis 737 Project

[737NGer]

yrs 6 doff hydraulic to be fiited ... but tbis not my thread.. i was just commenting on issues going all real in closing theres another chap (wont name names) on here thats more advanced than i am

What series aircraft is this person building?

[737NGer]

Hi guys,

I can't seem to find any sort of info about the NG MIP structure in terms of P/N's, manufacturer and so.

Can any NG shell owners - the next time you're working on your sim - can you please take a look at your MIP frame and see if there are any P/N's on them somewhere?

Thanks,
Youssef

[jackpilot]

NG shells are still  in the "Chicken tooth" category. 

[737NGer]

NG shells are still  in the "Chicken tooth" category. 

Lol...kinda true

There are however a lot more NG's in the scrapyards now then there were 2 years ago - there is probably a few (though not many) NG owners on this forum.

[jackpilot]

I doubt it

....Guys?

[kurt-olsson]

Not exactly the answer to your question, but i bought a MIP structure from Simparts.de that i know retrofitts them in used real shells with OEM parts.

Could be worth checking out if you dont find the real deal.

[Garys]

Hi guys,

I can't seem to find any sort of info about the NG MIP structure in terms of P/N's, manufacturer and so.

Can any NG shell owners - the next time you're working on your sim - can you please take a look at your MIP frame and see if there are any P/N's on them somewhere?

Thanks,
Youssef

If you have access to the IPC look at chapter 53-42-00  Equipment attach fittings. Part numbers will change depending on aircraft effectivity but 233A2302-26 is one number for the MIP. There are literally hundreds of different part numbers when you take in all effectivity and individual components that make up a mip when looking in the IPC so if you have a particular component of the mip your trying to find it may be easier to give a brief description of the component. Sorting through the ipc for each individual component to make up a complete mip would be a huge task.

[737NGer]

Not exactly the answer to your question, but i bought a MIP structure from Simparts.de that i know retrofitts them in used real shells with OEM parts.

Could be worth checking out if you dont find the real deal.

I did not know that - good suggestion in cas I fail at finding an OEM MIP - Thanks Peter

Hi guys,

I can't seem to find any sort of info about the NG MIP structure in terms of P/N's, manufacturer and so.

Can any NG shell owners - the next time you're working on your sim - can you please take a look at your MIP frame and see if there are any P/N's on them somewhere?

Thanks,
Youssef

If you have access to the IPC look at chapter 53-42-00  Equipment attach fittings. Part numbers will change depending on aircraft effectivity but 233A2302-26 is one number for the MIP. There are literally hundreds of different part numbers when you take in all effectivity and individual components that make up a mip when looking in the IPC so if you have a particular component of the mip your trying to find it may be easier to give a brief description of the component. Sorting through the ipc for each individual component to make up a complete mip would be a huge task.

Hi Garys,

I'm looking for the MIP frame/structure, not the whole assembly.

Is the frame a single assembly or several parts put together?

Thanks,
Youssef

[Garys]

It is several parts put together. I personally believe it would be far easier to take Peters advice and look for a replica Mip.

[737NGer]

It is several parts put together.

Is there an assembly number for the full MIP frame without the panels?

[Garys]

The Part number above doesn't include any panels. That is just the support structure that you are looking for.

[737NGer]

The Part number above doesn't include any panels. That is just the support structure that you are looking for.

Okay.

Are all MIP frame P/N alternatives also in the form 233A2302-X?

Or are there more base P/Ns?

[Garys]

Correct 233A2302-XX.  look at equipment attach fittings chapter 53.

[737NGer]

Correct 233A2302-XX.  look at equipment attach fittings chapter 53.

I don't have chapter 53 

[mickc]

Gary is right on the money.  The MIP Frame is made specifically for each airframe depending on airline options etc, not something they keep in stock as a "spare part" . A quick look shows over 400 parts alone that go into one of the box assembly that hold the 2 DUs on the capt and F/O side.  All manner of plates, brackets, nutplates, rivets, seals etc., thats before any of the electrical parts.

As someone that buys quite a lot of new Boeing parts, I can assure you if you tried to even look at building the MIP from parts, you pay about the same as what it costs to buy a small island....     And no, these parts dont come onto the second hand market, as they are all riveted together.  The MIP (actually called the Support Installation- Fwd Panel)  does actually unbolt and come out (if you have watched the Youtube video on the build of a 737 you will see them pushing one into place) although any NG MIPs becoming available will come with the whole shell, and most likely straight to a commercial Level-D Sim manufacturer

As you will not see any of it when installed, why the need for an OEM MIP frame?  you will need to cut significant chunks out of it to fit screens etc unless you are planning on using OEM DUs etc

[Garys]

You will interested to know that the -31 can be bought from Boeing with a 3 month lead time for just under 250K. Makes those NG cockpits that are for sale in desert look super cheap   

Mick- Awesome explanation. Thank you

[737NGer]

Well in that case you will interested to know that the -31 can be bought from Boeing with a 3 month lead time for just under 250K. Makes those NG cockpits that are for sale in desert look super cheap   

Lol...250K only...I'll take two...lol...since when is CNCed metal and a couple of rivets that expensive?

Gary is right on the money.  The MIP Frame is made specifically for each airframe depending on airline options etc, not something they keep in stock as a "spare part" . A quick look shows over 400 parts alone that go into one of the box assembly that hold the 2 DUs on the capt and F/O side.  All manner of plates, brackets, nutplates, rivets, seals etc., thats before any of the electrical parts.

As someone that buys quite a lot of new Boeing parts, I can assure you if you tried to even look at building the MIP from parts, you pay about the same as what it costs to buy a small island....     And no, these parts dont come onto the second hand market, as they are all riveted together.  The MIP (actually called the Support Installation- Fwd Panel)  does actually unbolt and come out (if you have watched the Youtube video on the build of a 737 you will see them pushing one into place) although any NG MIPs becoming available will come with the whole shell, and most likely straight to a commercial Level-D Sim manufacturer

As you will not see any of it when installed, why the need for an OEM MIP frame?  you will need to cut significant chunks out of it to fit screens etc unless you are planning on using OEM DUs etc

Yes I've seen the video before.

Lol ...I really am planning on using OEM DUs...just once I find the graphics card GG CCA..man these are rare...

[Garys]

What do the arcade guys use to convert the signal to the old cga/ega monitors in the cabinet.

[737NGer]

What do the arcade guys use to convert the signal to the old cga/ega monitors in the cabinet.

Nah not my generation  ...

BTW Garys...I've sent you a PM.

[mickc]

Lol...250K only...I'll take two...lol...since when is CNCed metal and a couple of rivets that expensive?

When it is going into an aircraft and needs full trace paperwork etc, it skyrockets the price

Lol ...I really am planning on using OEM DUs...just once I find the graphics card GG CCA..man these are rare...

Yeah good luck with that....  Even if you can get 6 serivceable DUs, the costs of the DEUs, Coax splitters etc will be astronomical, not to mention all the hardware you will need to simulate the I/O data the DEUs will be expecting

[737NGer]

Lol ...I really am planning on using OEM DUs...just once I find the graphics card GG CCA..man these are rare...

Yeah good luck with that....  Even if you can get 6 serivceable DUs, the costs of the DEUs, Coax splitters etc will be astronomical, not to mention all the hardware you will need to simulate the I/O data the DEUs will be expecting

I'm not planning on using full DEU's - just a couple of internal cards instead - the power supply card and the graphics generator card.

As for the DU's, I'll save myself the trouble and just buy ARC or UNSV units instead.

[737NGer]

Hi guys,

Anyone know the P/N on the F/O side Clock panel - the variant with the new-style HGS Annunciator (attached photo)?

Thanks,
Youssef