Hello everybody!
My name is Anders and I live in Sweden. Been hanging around on this forum for a while now without making to much noise.
In augusti I bought my first CNC machine. Been working quite hard to make it work like I wanted but in January I was satisfied with the result and since then I've been busy making the starterswitches for the engines. I have always felt that the Starterswitches was cool and a cole starter was hard to find and quite expensive.
I deceided to make my own design, even though it might not look like a cole starterswitch they do work like one and thats the most important thing for me.
I'm also making them and selling to other builders.
I'm very happy with the result of all hours and work I did put into this switches and I hope you guys like them like I do. I did a very short demo of the switches interfaced with phidgets & pokeys, software is prosim737. Of course it can be used with other software.. It all depends on which interface you're choosing.
Have a look at my webpage for more info about this switches and some pictures. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questitions.
here's the video on youtube: My brand new Boeing 737 engine startswitch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epXKyhkjZss#ws)
Thank you for reading. My webpage is Store (http://www.archensimparts.com)
*edit* Fixed url
Best regards,
Anders
Wow
Fantastic work Anders. I may end up ordering a set if my servo based design doesn't work out. I really like how yours snap like the real deal!
Scott
Hi Scott!
Thank you very much for your feedback. I appriciate it!
As you noticed the sound is quite good. I don't think it's impossible to achive with servos. You just need the right springs. You might not get the fast return as you get with an spring and electromagnet. I've seen your videos of TQ conversion so I think you will pull that off just fine :-) Amazing work on the TQ. Myself is looking after a real TQ.
Best regards,
Anders
Fantastic piece of work. Well done!
Maurice
Nice work!
Any idea if it will clear the IBL light connectors on the FDS overhead panel. Both connectors are between the start switches and the center ignition selection switch.
I bought another manufacturers start switches and they are installed.
I'm not very confident of their operation, so I'm gonna bite the bullet and buy some of these.
They look so much like the real thing, in operation.
Great job, mate. I'll certainly be in touch and making an order this week.
Frank Cooper
Hi everybody!
Thanks so much for your kind words!
Quote from: jskibo on February 23, 2013, 02:09:09 PM
Nice work!
Any idea if it will clear the IBL light connectors on the FDS overhead panel. Both connectors are between the start switches and the center ignition selection switch.
Hi jskibo,
I have the FDS overhead myself and I've made switch so it clears the connectors. FDS overhead also have a ~1mm thick steelplate coming close the the switches thats why I added a round spacer so it would come up from the backplate 5mm. For those who not have IBL lighting and uses ledstrips there is also room for a ledstrip.
I'm custom making them so if you have any wishes for D-shaped shaft or not, which direction you want the D-shape and the locking pin. (Overhead differs between brands where the locking hole for the rotary is located.) FDS is below, simworld above. I will be taking all these info on order so the switch will fit right in, I'm working towards a switch that needs no modifications to the existing overhead.
Thanks again guys. Your feedback is highly valueable!
Regards,
Anders Helin
Well, I've just bit the bullet and bought a couple of these switches. Looking forward to installing them in the overhead.
Will put a few pics when I do,
Frank Cooper
On my near term must buy list!
Very nice work, but I have to add, I'm glad my airplane doesn't use those!
Much more reasonable that the real Cole's switch.
Anders has already shown a great willingness to get the product right.
I've had several emails from him, asking the pertinent questions on how I wanted then made to fit my OH and they have already been sent to me.
His after-sales is impeccable, so I am keen to give him top marks for his product.
It's good to support some of the talent from within the cockpit builders community.
Frank Cooper
Hi Frank,
Thank you for the nice comments. It's nice to hear when you try hard to make every buyer happy. I'm looking forward to your comments on the switch when they arrive.
Best regards,
Anders
Hi Anders
Did you post a video of your prototype on the ProSim forum a while back? I'm sure it's you.
I'll be ordering a pair of your switches when I return from holiday next week. They look excellent. I'll be fitting them into an Engravity overhead. Have you had any feedback with that combo?
Sean
Hi Sean,
You are perfectly right. Thats me! I made one set as a prototype and since then I've been busy building my CNC machine and now I'm making the V2. The mechanism is pretty close the same but the quality and precision is way better in this CNC machined switch.
I'm pretty sure one of my customers did have an engravity ovhd but I haven't heard anything about the installation. I don't think he received them yet. I will get back to you on this.
Best regards,
Anders
Yeah, that would be me. I have the engravity OH, so as soon as they arrive and I fit them, I'll provide some feedback,
Frank Cooper
Thanks Frank! Your switches should arrive this week I hope.
Best regards,
Anders
As much work I did on my servo setup....I think I am going to have to bite the bullet and get a set of your switches Anders....
I have watched your video over and over and think they are just fantastic and a must have. I will reach out to you in a couple weeks once I am done with vacation. I have to have that snap and that sound!
Scott
Quote from: archen on February 23, 2013, 11:07:59 AM
Hello everybody!
I deceided to make my own design, even though it might not look like a cole starterswitch they do work like one and thats the most important thing for me.
I'm also making them and selling to other builders.
Hi Anders,
Magnificent job you did! I am wondering if you know about the latest development at SimWorld. Last year at the FlightSim exhibition in Lelystad they showed a magnificent plug & play forward overhead panel inclusive working start switches. I only forgot how realistic the sound was and if they operate as good as yours. I do not have a 737 cockpit yet, but I am highly interested. Thanks.
Hi!
Sorry I have no insight in simworld. I think you will have to ask Filip at simworld. He is very helpful and I'm sure he can give you answer to your questition. Maybe he have a video of it in action so you can compare.
Scott:
Looking forward to hearing from you. I believe it's hard to achieve the same result with servos.
Best regards,
Anders
Hi Anders,
I like the look of your start switches.
I have an Engravity overhead which is mounted on a plywood frame. Unfortunately I put a strengthening bar across the frame just above where the light switches and starter switches are mounted, I see from your website that the starter switches you have are mounted on an aly plate, with what appears to be a section offset at an angle that carries the solenoid.
Can you give me the dimension of this so I can see if it would fit inside my frame.
Thanks
Joe.
Hi Joe,
Please send me an email at archen (a) live (dot) se I'm sure we can work this out.
If you have a picture of backside of the overhead that would be perfect. I've a solution for you if the bar is where the solenoid is.
Regards,
Anders
Quote from: XOrionFE on March 06, 2013, 12:09:34 PM
As much work I did on my servo setup....I think I am going to have to bite the bullet and get a set of your switches Anders....
I have watched your video over and over and think they are just fantastic and a must have. I will reach out to you in a couple weeks once I am done with vacation. I have to have that snap and that sound!
Scott
I understand that you have a FDS forward overhead panel. I did not contact Peter Cos yet, but referring to their B737NG PRO-M Series, what is your opinion on the engine start switches made by Anders and the present FDS implementation?
This is actually off-topic, but I am considering to bye pre-wired sections from FDS and like to use them with ProSim 737. Do you think this will be feasible or asking for problems?
Thanks, Edward
Got my starter switches this morning.
I didn't have a lot of time to spare as monday is gym day, but I did manage to get them in the OH.
When I got back home, I did the review, posted here:
Anders Helin's 737 Startswitches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PSNnct0W5A#ws)
Beautifully made, fitted well and looked wonderful. A few things to consider tho, if you are buying these. The width of the slot they are going in and the depth of your OH.
I know I will have some problems with the panel behing the OH (in the FDS shell), but I'll work that out later.
I haven't hooked power up to them yet, but will, when I get my OH back in the shell.
Great Job, Anders.
Frank Cooper
Are they longer than real start switches? The Cole ones fit.
I just measured my space in the FDS shell and there is at least 6-7" of space up there behind the start switches (at least 15 cm). Should be no problem fitting those in Frank.
Scott
Asked you a question last Friday Scott on why needing those starting switches in an FDS panel. I simply was not aware that FDS does not have them in their OH. Anders explained and convinced me still to go for FDS because of their IBL and high service level. Learning every day :angel:.
Just forget about my off-topic question.
Quote from: sluyt050 on March 08, 2013, 08:22:28 AM
Quote from: XOrionFE on March 06, 2013, 12:09:34 PM
As much work I did on my servo setup....I think I am going to have to bite the bullet and get a set of your switches Anders....
I have watched your video over and over and think they are just fantastic and a must have. I will reach out to you in a couple weeks once I am done with vacation. I have to have that snap and that sound!
Scott
I understand that you have a FDS forward overhead panel. I did not contact Peter Cos yet, but referring to their B737NG PRO-M Series, what is your opinion on the engine start switches made by Anders and the present FDS implementation?
This is actually off-topic, but I am considering to bye pre-wired sections from FDS and like to use them with ProSim 737. Do you think this will be feasible or asking for problems?
Thanks, Edward
FDS doesn't include start switches at this time that include a holding coil or anything to my knowledge. I believe that they just use a standard rotary switch and if you buy the kit for the overhead to wire yourself that is what would come in their kit. I believe they use real Cole switches on their Pro setups but Steve or Pete would have to confirm that. At the time I made my servo operated setup I asked if they were ever going to offer a setup like Anders made and the answer at the time was perhaps but obviously that would likely be an extra option if they did it (again, better to ask FDS directly). I think what Anders made looks great though I am somewhat concerned about the threading not being aluminum or steel. I will likely still buy a set though.
As for wiring of FDS overhead and Prosim 737 I can tell you from experience that the FDS SYS cards and the Elec-Cab units work perfectly with Prosim but you would have to configure them yourself as when they prewire everything it would likely be to use with Interfacit .xmls. I wired my own FDS overhead panels and connected all to a SYS1X card and setup on Sim-Avionics. Later when experimenting with Prosim I just left Interfacit out of the equation and directly setup all the inputs and outputs in Prosim through direct access to the SYS Card. Piece of cake. That said, today I run Sim-Avionics since I am running X-Plane and it works so well. Sim-A has also come a long way in the last year and is really pretty awesome now. So long story short....it doesnt matter whether you choose Sim-A or Prosim when considering whether to buy FDS overhead panels. If you use their panels and have them prewire with a SYS Card you can still interface easily to either avionics package. Their IBLs are awesome and so are the SYS cards.
Hope this helps...
Scott
Yes, that helped! :). As I said: "learning every day".
Thanks Scott.
Hi,
The lenght between the backplate and the end of the switch (rotary included) is 94mm (~3,7in).
I would like to thank Frank for his review the threading he assumed could be a problem has been tested by me several times in my FDS ovhd by mounting and unmounting the switch many times without problem. I'm not saying it's not a problem but don't underestimate POM plastics.
I'll of course have a look at it if it becomes a problem. If anyone have a problem with it I'm happy to send you a new replacement free of charge.
Because of limited space and machines I cannot make that part in steel or aluminium. If I could I would have because plastic is more than double the price of aluminum. I'm a private person with no company or workshop so having a huge CNC-mill is not an option for me, I actually have my CNC in my kitchen (yes I don't have a girlfriend) ;D
And Frank you overall review makes me very happy and proud to hear. Thank you very much for that!
Best regards,
Anders
Hey Frank, great little review. Be sure to post another when you've got them working. I just measured the void between my Engravity overhead and FDS shell. Like Scott, I have 150mm easy. I have elected not to mount the overhead in the Engravity enclosure, as I found that too deep!
Do you think there'll be any clashes with neighbouring hardware behind the panel? I'm think specifically of the Cabin Climb gauge.
Sean
Hi Sean,
Sorry to interupt your discussion with Frank. I will just give my thoughts of your questition.
You are correct that the cabinclimb will be in the same area as the solenoid but there is solutions to this.
1. The distance between backplate and the solenoid is 42mm so any gauge that is lower than 42mm will fit right in. (I.E flight illusions gauges fit perfect).
2. If you have a higher gauge you can mount the solenoid in the other direction if its possible. If not you can turn the switch 90 degrees so the solenoid goes above the taxilight switch etc. You can also turn it 90 degrees in the other direction so the solenoid goes above the igniters selector switch.
To rotate the switch you move the locking pin with a plier to the desired hole in the mountingplate.
Available setup's is:
30° left up
Straight up
30° left down
Straight down
90° Right (Only O-shaped shaft)
90° Left (Only O-shaped shaft)
Regards,
Anders
I took some picture to better explain what I mean but rotating the switch. I would say normally it fits OK but if you have a real cabin climb gauge or one that is higher than 42mm in the middle you have the options to rotate it like the pictures.
As you can see the is some options and you can also see that the switch clears the IBL connector on the FDS ovhd either way you mount the switch. Well pictures say more than words so here you can see the possible ways of installation:
Excellent. Just what I wanted to hear. Thanks Anders.
Hi Guys.
Thanx Scott and Sean, for the measurements. My shell is in pieces at the moment and I can't tell.
Now that I know that, I am happy. And as Anders said, you can move the pins to change the aspect of the switches, which is a brilliant piece of advance engineering.
Sorry about the comments concerning the plastic, but I was pointing out possible problems, not existing ones. Anders has obviously factored that in, anyway.
I am really looking forward to try them out, but might have to wait a little while.
Now, I'm heading out to my shed to take a few more pics of the finished install.
Frank Cooper
Just wanted to add a few final pics here.
I uninstalled the switches, re-installed my backing plate to the overhead and re-installed the switches.
It all went as per advertised. I did some measurements when they were mounted and, by the way, they fitted beautifully and had no impact on anything around them, including the pressurisation gauges.
The switches are 94mm (I said 95 in the picture) from the front to the back of the switch, so according to the guys measurements here of 150mm to play with, they will fit easily in the roof cavity of the FDS shell without any problems.
And to answer you, Peter, Anders swiches are 94mm long (in the body), whereas the cole switches are a little longer at 100mm (I believe).
Finally, here are a few pics of the job finished and awaiting installation to the shell.
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Frank Cooper
Ordered a set from Anders today for my sim. When in I will post some pictures also as they will be fitted into my real overhead panel frame and with FDS shell. Note, my cabin climb guage is Flight Illusion so as posted earlier I should have not issue clearing that. Anyway, I am looking forward to these and will be removing my servo operated mechanism. These are much much more realistic and as I said earlier....I have to have that SNAP!! I guess my next step is to work out some SIOC code for handling my OC relays card connections to these. If anyone has the logic worked out already it would be nice if you could post here.
Thanks,
Scott
Scott
here you are below. I coded this a while back, so memory is poor and you will need to work out the SA FSUIPC_IO.ini offsets.
Gives you a good start
Regards
David
//************************** Engine Start ************************************
Var 4324, name SA_IGN_SRCE, Link FSUIPC_OUT, Offset $5309, Length 1 // Ignition Source switch
Var 4290, name SW_IGN_L, Link IOCARD_SW, Input 128, Type I // Ignition Switch L
{
IF &SW_IGN_L = 1
{
&SA_IGN_SRCE = 1
}
ELSE
{
&SA_IGN_SRCE = 0
}
}
Var 5291, name SW_IGN_R, Link IOCARD_SW, Input 130, Type I // Ignition Switch R
{
IF &SW_IGN_R = 1
{
&SA_IGN_SRCE = 2
}
ELSE
{
&SA_IGN_SRCE = 0
}
}
Var 3266, name SW_ENG_GRD_L, Link IOCARD_SW, Input 143, Type I // eng start GRD L
{
IF &SW_ENG_GRD_L = 1
{
&SA_MULTIUSE = 831
}
}
Var 3269, name SW_ENG_CONT_L, Link IOCARD_SW, Input 139, Type I // eng start CONT L
{
IF &SW_ENG_CONT_L = 1
{
&SA_MULTIUSE = 832
}
}
Var 3267, name SW_ENG_OFF_L, Link IOCARD_SW, Input 135, Type I // eng start OFF L
{
IF &SW_ENG_OFF_L = 1
{
&SA_MULTIUSE = 830
}
}
Var 4266, name SW_ENG_GRD_R, Link IOCARD_SW, Input 136, Type I // eng start GRD R
{
IF &SW_ENG_GRD_R = 1
{
&SA_MULTIUSE = 834
}
}
Var 4267, name SW_ENG_CONT_R, Link IOCARD_SW, Input 141, Type I // eng start CONT R
{
IF &SW_ENG_CONT_R = 1
{
&SA_MULTIUSE = 835
}
}
Var 4269, name ENG_OFF_R, Link IOCARD_SW, Input 142, Type I // eng start OFF R
{
IF &ENG_OFF_R = 1
{
&SA_MULTIUSE = 833
}
}
Var 4500, Name FS_F_CUTOFF_L, Link IOCARD_SW Input 122 // FS Fuel cutoff valve no 1
{
IF &FS_F_CUTOFF_L = 1
{
&SA_F_CUT_L = 1
}
ELSE
{
&SA_F_CUT_L = 0
}
}
Var 4501, Name SA_F_CUT_L, Link FSUIPC_OUT, Offset $5311, Length 1 // SA Fuel cutoff valve no 1
Var 4550, Name FS_F_CUTOFF_R, Link IOCARD_SW Input 119 // FS Fuel cutoff valve no 2
{
IF &FS_F_CUTOFF_R = 1
{
&SA_F_CUT_R = 1
}
ELSE
{
&SA_F_CUT_R = 0
}
}
Var 4551, Name SA_F_CUT_R, Link FSUIPC_OUT, Offset $5312, Length 1 // SA Fuel cutoff valve no 2
Var 5675, Name ENG_L_SOL, Link IOCARD_OUT, Output 60 Device 2 // Left engine solenoid switch
Var 5678, Name ENG_IGN_L, Link FSUIPC_IN, Offset $5330, Length 1 // Engine Ignition state L
{
IF &ENG_IGN_L = 1
{
&ENG_L_SOL = DELAY 1 400
&ENG_L_SOL = DELAY 0 500
}
}
Var 9675, Name ENG_R_SOL, Link IOCARD_OUT, Output 59 Device 2 // Left engine solenoid switch
Var 9678, Name ENG_IGN_R, Link FSUIPC_IN, Offset $5331, Length 1 // Engine Ignition state L
{
IF &ENG_IGN_R = 1
{
&ENG_R_SOL = DELAY 1 400
&ENG_R_SOL = DELAY 0 500
}
}
Awesome. Thank you David. You are the sioc guru!
Scott
SIOC... xx@!*X*#>;²
Well, I met David, he looked normal though. :D
Quote from: jackpilot on March 15, 2013, 10:54:46 AM
SIOC... xx@!*X*#>;²
Well, I met David, he looked normal though. :D
But that was before Midnight :(
Wow, I hadn't thought of CP Flight controller card. I thought I could hook them up to my FDS Sys1 card?
So, I take it that I can use the CPFlight controller card to run the switches? I'd be very interested to see how you hook it up, Warren.
Some pics or a vid would be nice, please?
And kudo's to you, too david for your coding, mate. That's gold!
Thanx in advance,
Frank Cooper
Frank, the rotary switch will be connected to your SYS1 card, but you need a 12v supply to operate the solenoid. You won't get that from the FDS card. Not sure the CPFlight card will do. Do you mean the MCPEX1?
Sean
FDS Relay card would work to control the Start switches.
Has 8 relays.
1) Eng 1
2) Eng 2
3) Stick Shaker
4) Yaw Damper Switch
These are the most common solenoid/motor devices you can control via offsets.
FDS is an excellent choice ;D
However, if you use the ProSim737 suite, Phidgets 0/0/4 relay card has native (direct) support in ProSim.
This might be true for FDS relay card too - check.
http://clcsystems.nordicshops.com (http://clcsystems.nordicshops.com) is a great supplier of Phidgets in Europe.
Best,
Bjorn
I have the FDS Relay card and Sim-A. The start switches, stick shakers and yaw damper work perfectly with this configuration.
Axel
Quote from: N737AG on March 18, 2013, 04:21:49 AM
I have the FDS Relay card and Sim-A. The start switches, stick shakers and yaw damper work perfectly with this configuration.
Axel
How are the relays controlled Axel? Through Interfacit?
Scott
Have you got your switches yet, Scott?
Frank Cooper
Anders just shipped today Frank. I am looking forward to them. He is fast!
Scott
Scott, yes they are
Axel
Just received my start switches. They'r looking solid (and they work!). Unfortunately no (FDS) overhead panel yet...
Ok, finally pulled the trigger on these :)
Hi Anders,
I decided to go for a set for my engravity OVHD, so after reading some posts here I am sure that will fit on my OVHD.
Congrats for the nice work on this sim part !!!
Hi Carlos,
Thank you very much! I've sent you an email.
Regards,
Anders
Hi guys,
Does anyone have a video of them in action. Would love to see them in one of your cockpits.
My overhead sits in an corner of my kitchen waiting for some space. :-(
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
Anders
Here is a video and a couple of the pictures of the switches mounted in my sim! Love em!!! Thanks again Anders. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
Scott
PS - Note that panels and knobs (which are also awesome) are from Flightdeck Solutions. Also HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
Enjoy
http://youtu.be/rhUOqzFdgbg (http://youtu.be/rhUOqzFdgbg)
Thanks alot Scott for these excellent videos and photos.
New video
Archen Simparts 737 Start Switches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ET21lld7oc#ws)
Scott
Love these videos Scott. Thanks for making them!
Hi,
I have Installed mines last week and both works great with Prosim737 and FDS Relay card, very happy !
Agree with Bob. Love your videos Scott. Thanks so much!
Anders
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Thanks very much Scott for your instructive video! Will help me when I start assembling later this year (the beautiful designed switches I already have). So you definitely switched to ProSim?
Hi guys
Just a quick of update regarding Simworld overhead.
I have just fitted Anders superb switches in my Simworld overhead.
They fit a treat with clearance all round.
Just got to sort the scripting out as connected to OC relay card.
Thanks again Anders for a superb product.
Mark
Hi!
Thanks for your feedback. I'm glad your happy with them!
Let me know if there is anything I can help you with.
Regards,
Anders
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Hello Anders,
Looks like nothing but good reports on your Start Switches! I'm just beginning to build up a FDS Overhead Kit, which no doubt could use your switches. How do I go about purchasing two of these ?
Mike
He now has an online store...
http://archensimparts.com (http://archensimparts.com)
Hi mike!
As Sean wrote they can be purchased through my webshop.
Thanks for your interest in them!
Best regards,
Anders
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Thanks Anders. Is the price on your web site for a Set of two (2) switches ?
Mike
Mike,
It was when I bought them....
John
These really are a cool piece of kit :) :2cw:
I just place my order for a 1- set of 2 Startswitches, (Yes Mike they come in pairs) from Anders, great piece of hardware!! Thank you Anders keep up the good work.
Sam
Thanks Sam. I'll be ordering a set.
Mike
Quick Video of the Start Switches in Action
Start Switches in and running (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQfsZ2cJKo#ws)
Sorry for getting back to you so late Mark. Been quite busy lately.
Thanks a lot for the video! Love to see them in action. I hope everyone is happy with the switches.
I've changed the link in the first store so its correct again.
Best regards,
Anders
Very nice! Im using a set of real cole switches and yours look and sound exactly the same when they click off. Well done.
Justin
Thank you very much Justin for your words and for sharing your experience with the Cole switches.
Best regards,
Anders
Hey guys!
To celebrate the purchase of a new machine to my workshop I'll be offering free shipping worldwide this week starting now, ending on Sunday.
The new machine is a EMCO cnc lathe. I've been missing a lathe for a while and this machine is very welcome. It's a CNC lathe with a six tool automatic tool changer. It will definitely open up for new products and I'm already working on a new project that will take benefit of the new machine.
Thanks to all! It's been great fun to get to know so many talented builders.
Edit: added a picture of the new machine (https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F13%2F08%2F20%2Fja8e4e9e.jpg&hash=cf96e777ebe4bd6c6dd64b65c3fca774c1c7c3cd)
Anders
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Congrats on the new machine!
Looking forward to more of your great ideas!
Congratulations on the new baby, its a good feeling when you upgrade something, i know too well.
May send some work your way as i was thinking about a CNC lathe also
Phil
Thanks guys! It feels great.. I hope I will have a lot of joy with the machine both in my company but also in my own sim build.
Made some Threading and cuts last weekend. Still only in testing purposes but I'm very impressed with the machine and what you are able to achieve with the right machines.
Phil just send me an email or PM if you wanna get in touch.
Anders
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Congratulations Archen on a new machine!
And I just placed the order for start switches - thank you for your generous offer!
Nick
Thank you very much :-)
Got the order. Thanks!! Your switches is already packed and ready for despatch. Will goto the postal office tomorrow and drop it off.
/Anders
Anders, congratulations for your new toy.
I have have my starter switches but comparing both products yours looks pretty well finished.
If I would take a decision today, I will get yours without doubt. I like them so much that I am debating if I should just get them.
I was looking at your store and I can't figure out where the switch for the MIP will fit.
Cheers
Luis
Thanks Luis! :-)
The switches you are reffering to is the N1 / SPD Reference set switches which can be found on the autobrakepanel. These switches is special. You select the desired value you want to change with the bigger (inner knob) and then with the outer smaller knob you change the value by holding it to the left to decrease the value and to the right to increase the value.
Each direction have two positions. Turn it a little and the value decreases/increases by 1. Turn it to it's limit (about 90 degrees) and you increase/decrease by 10.
These switches is not very common because they are barely never used in the real plane except from dual fmc failure. I made them because I try to make everything as real as possible within a reasonable budget. The real switches is very rare and I haven't seen anyone yet. I had the opportunity to feel them in the real plane and tried to make them as real as possible. Most builders don't bother about these switches because of their low usage so they haven't sold nearly as good as the starters but that was expected. Thought I do add them to the store so they are available to the users who wants everything as real as possible. Because they are quite rare I don't stock them and they requires 7-10 days to manufacture.
You will need knobs for them as well. They are built to fit the knobs from www.knobs.se (http://www.knobs.se) but I guess most knobs would do it if you find any. The inner knob is a normal rotary shaft and the smaller knob is a 3mm shaft.
Best regards,
Anders
Thanks Anders for educating me about it.
I have a Sismo module that uses dual concentrics but apparently they don't fit my still to arrive FDS MIP.
With exception of wipers and toilets I try to be also as accurate as possible.
Let me know if they will fit the FDS MIP and panel.
Cheers
Luis
Hey Luis,
I haven't had the opportunity to test them on FDS MIP but I don't think it should be any problem. I have Simworld MIP and they fit without problem.
Take a look at my B737 N1/SPD REF thread: http://www.cockpitbuilders.com/community/index.php?topic=3280.0 (http://www.cockpitbuilders.com/community/index.php?topic=3280.0)
You have all the measures in that thread to check if it will fit. I recommend you to cut a circle with a diameter of 40mm and hold on the back of the panel to see if it clears everything.
Best regards,
Anders
I should add that you need prosim737 to be able to use them the way they are supposed to be used. If you are good with sioc I guess you can get it work with anything but I'm not good with sioc so I can't say it work!
I still haven't had the opportunity to try it out with sim avionics.
Anders
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I have tested with Sim-Avionics, FDS Relay card, and Interfacit and they work beautifully.
Scott
Hey Scott,
We got slightly off topic so I was reffering to the compatibility between N1/SPD Ref set and sim-avionics, but thanks for confirming that the starters work with sim-a, good to know if someone asks.
Regards,
Anders
Attached a simplyfied wiring diagram made in paint :o
I'm looking into a more proffesional diagram.
Regards,
Anders
Thank you Anders - I just received the switches.
Excellent quality!
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi700.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww8%2FOldElephant100%2F737NG%2Foverhead%2FP1140956_zpse72c1e63.jpg&hash=be09536e28a5d8af22eb0309430da70ad9cba928)
Thanks,
Nick
Thanks Nick!! Glad they arrived safe.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Regards,
Anders
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Hello Anders,
Add me to the list of happy users of your nicely built Start Switches. I finally have them installed in my FDS Overhead kit, and they work as advertised. Thanks again for a great product - it has helped to add another level of realism to my Sim Project.
Mike
Thanks Mike! I appreciate your comment. :)
/Anders
Anyone with OC overhead that can tell me the location of the lockinghole in relation to rotary mountinghole? Is it twelve o clock?
Thanks for your help!
Best regards,
Anders
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Hello guys,
Just wanted to share a video with you, demonstrating the new machine in production. First parts that is being manufactured in the the CNC-lathe.
Enjoy:
Archen Simparts - Making of Engine starters #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkOkW5kDY3s#)
/Anders
Anders,
I have an OC overhead. What exactly do you need?
Warren
Nice piece of kit you've got there Anders.
Can it make a 737ng throttle quad? : )
Quote from: fsaviator on September 26, 2013, 01:14:20 PM
Anders,
I have an OC overhead. What exactly do you need?
Warren
I'm wondering about the pinlocation. The little hole that locks the rotaryswitch from rotating. Usually the pin is located at 6 o clock but I've seen some vendors have it at 12 o clock.
Quote from: markfire on September 26, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
Nice piece of kit you've got there Anders.
Can it make a 737ng throttle quad? : )
Thanks Mark. throttle quad is a little to complex for me at the moment :-) Wish I could make one though.
/Anders
Quote from: archen on September 28, 2013, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: fsaviator on September 26, 2013, 01:14:20 PM
Anders,
I have an OC overhead. What exactly do you need?
Warren
Ahhh. Now I'm tracking. I need to pop off one of the panels anyway, so I guess now is a good a times as any. Let me see...
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj267%2Fwsoeldner%2FForums%2520and%2520Posts%2FP1020030Medium_zpsf890aa4a.jpg&hash=46295b8593bae8953709ce2d24c84c1e36d7b7b0)
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj267%2Fwsoeldner%2FForums%2520and%2520Posts%2FP1020032Medium_zps31f9cdd1.jpg&hash=5689f94d2d7a24534408efaa3405aad5ecd713b6)
It appears to be at the 12 o'clock on this panel. This is the Version 2 fully assembled overhead.
Many thanks warren!
It appears to be at the 12 o'clock on this panel. This is the Version 2 fully assembled overhead.
See the pics above
Thank you very much Warren for taking the time to shoot and share those photos with me.
Best regards,
Anders
Hey guys!
Once again Friday and weekend is close.
This weekend I offer all CB members free ship.
Code at checkout: CB2013
I wish everyone a great weekend.
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Anders
I picked up my package from the post office.
The two sets I bought are excellent quality and the knobs are the best I have ever ordered.
Many thanks
Luis
Many thanks!
Jacob W
Knobs.se
Quote from: Ridgenj on October 27, 2013, 09:38:48 AM
Anders
I picked up my package from the post office.
The two sets I bought are excellent quality and the knobs are the best I have ever ordered.
Many thanks
Luis
Thank you Luis! I appriciate your comment on the switches. Let me know if you need any help with the installation.
Anders
Hi Anders,
what's the price for the starter switches including shipping to Germany?
Do you have one in stock?
Not really sure if i order one, but i think about it.
Thanks and see you on Prosim forum.
Best Regards/ Beste Grüße
Thomas
Hi Thomas,
Shipping is around 11 EUR to Germany. I have a set in stock that can be shipped in 24 hrs.
VAT applies for EU customers.
Let me know if there is anything I can help you with.
Regards,
Anders
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Hello everyone,
Got a request for B767 starter switches. They are working like 737's except for there is one more position on the rotary. Unfortunatelly the rotarys I use only have 4 positions but I found 10pcs of 12 position switches I can use for them so I've now added B767 Starters to the website. Same price, same switch except for the 5th position. Don't know much about interfacing a 767 but I would be suprised if it was not possible.
Not that many 767 builders out there but now they are available at least.
Little off topic but I thought it wasn't worth starting a new topic for this info. If any admin think different feel free to seperate this post from the topic.
/Anders
Hi Anders,
Just wondering (and don't worry I'm not going to compete with you) how you develop these switches?
Sam
Sam,
Even if I told you how I make them it wouldn't help you if you don't have NC machines and knowledge in how to operate them.
I can only refer to the images available on the web. If you wanna make your own version there is many different way to make them. Search the forums, and I'm sure you will find.
Hi Anders.
I know it's been quite a while since this thread was talked about, but I have a few questions.
I have finally got to the point of putting my overhead in the sim and I'm just hooking up my start switches and relay card.
I was not aware that the solenoid needed 12volt and thought that the FDS Relay card would supply the necessary voltage, but is that not the case.
I originally bought the phidgets relay card, but it's still brand new, in the box and I thought I'd stick with the tried and true FDs stuff, so bought their new FDS SYS Relay card.
Any help would be much appreciated,
Thanx again,
Frank Cooper
Ok, so just to answer my own question and maybe that of some others, you do need a 12volt power source and you need the diode that Anders supplied....oh, no, where did I put those???
The diode stops you from frying your FDS card.
So, Steve Cos from FDS set me straight and I'm on the right track now.
All's well that ends...well, we'll see...
Frank Cooper
Hi Frank,
Send me an email if you still need diode. I have plenty here so I'll just send you a new one.
Best regards
Anders
Hi Anders,
I did a real search in the garage last nite and found them in their original box that you sent me.
They are all wired in now and connected to the card as per instructions.
I'll be testing them in the next few days, so fingers crossed that I have it all right.
Thanx Anders for all of your continued help, hope the Flight School is going well?
Frank Cooper
Thanks Frank! Let me know if you need any more help. Please email for fast support. I don't have so much time for the forums lately.
Flight training is going well, thanks!
Got my ppl a year ago and now I'm studying ATPL theory.
Best regards,
Anders
Hi, do you have one set for me to be send to Mexico??
What kind of diode do you use?
Thanks
Juan
Just want to jump on here and say these start swithces are LEGIT!! Anders does a great job both with the product, and with support. Money well spent!
Hi, I have just bought a pair of Anders´start switches. Can anyone tell me what card I should get to work with this that is good value for money?
For example, there is the FDS-SYS-R1X, would that work and is there a better value one? There are phidgets cards but I have no idea which one exactly would be suitable. Anders' site says "8 digital input on your I/O-card and 2 relay output."
Any specific help much appreciated
Best
Charles
I use the FDS relay card for my OEM start switches and it works perfectly.
But it is a relay card not an input card
The wiring for the start switch positions goes to an input card
So you need two cards : an IO card for the switch positions (OFF FLT Cont etc)
and a relay card for the solenoid part of the switches.
If you already use an IO card you may have enough positions available and do not need to buy one.
;)
FDS Relay + FDS SYSBoard here for Anders switches.
Very nice switches!
Fred K
Hi,
I use phidget relaycard for the eng starters, stickshakers, and gear down lock release.
Works great in prosim.
A bit expensive though but imo worth the price.
As for inputs I use pokeys but just use the same that you use for the other switches.
Br,
Anders
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Thanks all for the help.
QuoteFDS Relay + FDS SYSBoard here for Anders switches
I have an FDS sys1 which I can use for the 8 inputs, correct?
When you refer to the FDS relay do you mean specifically the
FDS-SYS-R1X at this link: http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/components/interface-it/fds-sys-r1x/ (http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/components/interface-it/fds-sys-r1x/)
Best
Charles
Affirmative for both. :D
Hi Anders,
Just wanted to say, my switches (which are run by the FDS relay card and an FDS SYS1X I/O card) have been running now for a while and continue to do the job.
I've done quite a few Tours of countries (currently doing an Asia/Europe tour) with 40 to 50 legs and those starters get quite the workout.
Great work mate and hope you keep making great gear,
Regards,
Frank
Hi Frank,
Thank you very much for sharing! Nice to hear that the switches is working as intended after so many startups :)
Br,
Anders
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