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Title: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on March 19, 2022, 01:51:15 PM
Ok, so time to start a new chapter.   As you saw in my old thread about my OEM -300 build, I have dismantled it (the MIP mainly) and put all the parts into storage. While I had a lot of fun with it and learned a ton from Rob Archer, Jorg Bleisener, and others such as David A, Matt W, James P, Matt F, etc.....it was time for me to simplify my life and get back to a somewhat more manageable simulator that I can handle most things on my own and not have to do tons of schematic reading and programming.  If I want to fly and enjoy the -300 I can just head 2 hours drive east to Rob's house and enjoy his sim.  Most of my parts are identical to his and so I will be keeping most things as spares for Rob.

So I decided to do a new 737 MAX or NG.  In the end I decided on the NG because not only is it nearer and dearer to my heart personally...I also have most items for it along with all the manuals, etc. Procuring a new NG MIP was difficult.  I love FDS and of course that is the first place I turned but alas..., was not to be right now as they are so busy with commercial projects they did not have room this year to sneak in another NG project for a "one off" enthusiast.  Heck, I don't blame them for following their priorities...it is a business and if in Peter's shoes I would be following the same path.  I know they are always here for us and I am really happy to see their success on a grand scale.

That brings us to John (aka blueskydriver).  John and I live fairly close to each other...about 3 hours drive between his house in Wisconsin and mine in Illinois.  I have known John for years and as he stated, he had thought about dialing it back many times and also enjoys a ton of other hobbies as well as wanting to pursue some new ones. So after having quite a few long discussions we decided to have me essentially buy him out.  Thats right, I bought everything he had related to the 737 including software.   We are slowly bringing bits and pieces from Wisconsin down to Illinois and you will see many of John's sim being integrated into mine.   So what follows may be just another boring 737 NG build but I will be integrating some OEM stuff and will try to make the build thread interesting as I go along with the changes.  So here goes....

Scott (aka XOrionFE)
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on March 19, 2022, 02:06:03 PM
So first off I want to show some pictures of Johns FDS NG MIP that is going into my sim replacing my -300 OEM mip.  Now I was surprised when I first got it as it was nothing like my prior two FDS NG Mips.   As you can see from the pictures it is a lot different not having sidewalls and the back framing and glareshield seem to be much much more robust than my last FDS mips.  I am not sure if this was just an early design and they found better faster ways to build or what but I am really happy with the sheer strength of this.  Not saying current model is not strong but I believe this one is beefier due to not having sides.   John told me this was actually built custom by FDS to fit in his real Cockpit shell back in the day.   No matter, I love it.  Even the Glareshield has extra layers in the front making it twice as thick and providing a light barrier for the led strips that go under the lip.  Also, if you take a look at the CDU Bay, it is correct width at the top but narrower below to accomodate John's custom rudder setup from a real 727 trainer he had built his base around (more to come on that later...)  Take a peak at the pictures below.  Who knows...maybe Steve at FDS could chime in and provide the back story to this seemingly unique FDS MIP.

Scott
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on March 19, 2022, 02:14:53 PM
Now here is something interesting.  As I said, I intend to incorporate some of my OEM stuff into this build and starting with this MIP I am making some modifications to John's FDS Original. 

First change is that I removed the plastic FDS checklist holder that goes on top of the glareshield and am replacing it with the resins one that was on my -500 glareshield.  You may not have seen before but there is an extra plate underneath the holder that has nice curved channels on sides so thin paper doesn't get stuck and it also has a built in spring like holder that pushes upward on the checklist to hold it in the holder.  Probably didn't want checklist flying out during takeoff!!  So you can see that I removed it from my old mip and have epoxied the lower piece onto the glare and then will affix the top part with the OEM screws and anchor nuts. Last picture is finished mod.  I just have to retouch the anchor nuts on top with a little flat black enamel. Will be a nice little nostalgic improvement.
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: fsaviator on March 19, 2022, 11:28:30 PM
Great to see you back into the NG, Scott.  Look forward to watching it come together.
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on March 22, 2022, 04:26:56 PM
MIP AFDS Upgrade - OEM

So I did not care for the replica AFDS displays that were on the mip.  First, they were an older version and second, one of the FMC reset buttons on one side was shot.   I decided to remove them and modify to accommodate my real OEM AFDS units.  I still have 28 vdc available and will likely utilize a Phidget 0/16/16 board to handle the annunciators.

I think they came out great!

Scott

PS - Notice the "INOP" position on the Display Unit controller where it should say "MFD".   This had to have originally been a special order of a customer from FDS.  Not sure otherwise why they would be this way.   I can live with it but if anyone has a set of panels from FDS (or OEM) let me know.  I would be interested in them.
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: jackpilot on March 22, 2022, 07:03:47 PM
Seems to me it says Engine Sys
Have to check.
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on March 26, 2022, 04:19:02 PM
As I continue modifications to the FDS MIP I decided to replace all the AN1 annunciators with my real OEM Korry's.  Here you can see work on the Autobrake (Center MIP panel).  I am not only replacing the AN1s with real Korrys but also the Fuel Flow Reset switch now has OEM version installed.

Scott
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: blueskydriver on March 26, 2022, 10:32:07 PM
Looks awesome Scott!  ;D
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: jackpilot on March 27, 2022, 06:23:52 AM
Do you keep bulbs in the annuns ?
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on March 27, 2022, 07:31:45 PM
Yes Jack.  28 vdc incandescent oem bulbs
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: jackpilot on March 29, 2022, 06:21:11 AM
I'm using these (LEDs) with the syscards
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on March 29, 2022, 08:26:31 AM
Very nice Jack

Expensive?  Where did you get them?
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on April 22, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
So I have been slowly working on rewire/refinements to the MIP. 

In these pictures you can see some of the real oem korrys being added along with rewiring of the rotary switches.   In addition, I have removed the monitors one by one and installed smoked plexi glass panels behind the clear ones (this is an NG project MUST according to Mr. Rob Archer).  He actually said he would refuse to fly in my sim if I did not add the smoked plexi....lol.   I have to admit, it really makes a big difference in the aesthetics and I had done this on my previous NG build.   Next I will be replacing all the screws on the lower panels with Dzus Fastener replicas from CPFlight.  That will add some authenticity as well.   Then back to the glareshield to work on the glare wings and putting in the OEM 6-packs, Master Caution, and Warning indicator/buttons.

Lots to do but coming along well.

Scott
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on July 28, 2022, 07:48:55 PM
Been a while since I posted updates and that is because with good spring and summer weather in the Chicago area I had some major house projects to get done before getting back to work on my NG.  I had the exterior of the house completely redone in new vinyl siding and new aluminimum soffets and low maintenance manufactured trim board.  Also had my garage floor professionally epoxied and driveway re-sealed.  New garage freezer for my food storage needs...etc etc.  And some personal maintenance including some minor surgery on my left index finger for a cyst on the joint which took my hand out of commission for 3 weeks and also the lovely after 50 colonoscopy that any of you over 50 know is just a total joy....

Now to the NG
I retrofitted the old FDS MIP I got from John with a CP Flight Pro ethernet based MCP and EFIS units using the CP Flight bracket and some modifications.  Came out great I think.  I also added Dzus rails to the CDU bays (as John's mip did not have these pre-installed).  It was a lot of work and fun lining them up correctly.  Next I installed a new pair of CP Flight Ethernet Pro CDUs.  I prefer the metal FDS ones but an advantage to these are that they have onboard raspberry Pi boards and thus do not require a separate vga or hdmi input (and the FDS ones as well as MCP/Efis where simply not available or I would have bought them).  That said, I also love CP Flight gear and their support.  The CDUs
are self contained and work flawlessly.  Finally, I have been modifying and retrofitting the FDS glare wings to accommodate real OEM 6-packs and Master Caution/Fire Warning korries.  I had to make custom steel faceplates and also decide to do some fiberglass/epoxy reinforcment to the thin parts as they are made of a very weak press board material that is just not very robust.  Not sure if their newer mips have a better quality molded part but if I had a 3d printer I would probably make new ones entirely.  So attaching various pictures below of progress and will post more updates in the future including showing off the awesome new custom clock bezels Joe Lavery was so kind to make for me. I am really excited about them and they will be next on my list to install along with new gauges for the mip from Custom Sim Parts (yaw damper, flaps, brakes pressure)
So stay tuned...
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: FredK on July 29, 2022, 03:43:07 AM
Scott

Glad to see that your NG project is progressing nicely!

I agree that CP Flight makes some high quality stuff and support is very good.

Fred K
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on October 15, 2022, 04:20:10 PM
So I finally finished modifying my glare wings to fit the OEM 6-packs and Master Caution/Fire Warning switches.  A lot of work but worth the effort.  In addition, I have begun installing the awesome custom clock bezels that Joe Lavery made for me.   They will have small LCD screens behind them and run the digital clocks out of prosim.  Joe built them with a small custom circuit board to allow for four programmabke switches.  Awesome...Thank you Joe!

more to come...its building season...

Scott
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: FredK on October 15, 2022, 05:30:19 PM
Very sweet Scott!

Fred K
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: jackpilot on October 16, 2022, 10:12:09 AM
Thank you for the update....more!
 :D 
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: Joe Lavery on October 17, 2022, 04:17:51 PM
Thank you for the kind words Scott, it's just a little payback for the help you've given me.

Looking good too.. ;)

Joe.
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on December 30, 2022, 08:21:16 AM
Getting closer to finally lighting up the mip.   I just finished putting some bracing on the back of the gear handle assembly to tie it into the mip frame.   I did not like how shaky it was when actuating it being the only thing holding it in place was the flimsy aluminum front mip panel.   The real oem gear handles are tied directly onto the mip frame structure.  I am really pleased with the result.

Scott
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: MLeavy737 on January 26, 2023, 01:17:52 PM
Scott that looks Awesome!!! Have to stop by again sometime soon!
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: jackpilot on January 29, 2023, 05:39:48 AM
Hi Mike
Good to see  you back onboard !
More news?  ;)
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on January 29, 2023, 09:20:32 AM
Mip wiring coming along.  A half dozen FDS connectors to punch down and attach to sys boards, 3 servos to connect to Phidgets servo board, ND/PFD dimmer knobs are wired and just need attaching to bodnar joystick card, and finally...I need to hookup the real korries and AFDS units to the Phidgets 0/16/16 boards. All power, usb and lighting is done.
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: sagrada737 on January 30, 2023, 10:06:13 AM
Hi Scott,

I have always been impressed with your wiring skills.  Nice job on the MIP thus far!

Mike
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: jackpilot on January 31, 2023, 12:51:36 PM
Neat ! reminds me of my own spaghetti bowl which was far worse. Hope U are excited, nothing like  redoing the new iteration better than the previous one.  :D
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: matta757 on February 04, 2023, 04:58:40 AM
Looks super clean. I have to say, I love my 757 but what I wouldn't give to have a sim the size of a 737  :laugh:
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on March 13, 2023, 04:40:35 AM
Mip wiring completed.  Have begun the surgery of removing the OEM mip frame and transplanting the NG Mip.  Required taking out the control columns and moving my whole shell to gain enough doorway access.  At the end of a long weekend of work the NG mip is finally in the shell where I can now begin putting all back together.  A few more weeks and hope to be flyable again.
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on April 01, 2023, 12:18:53 PM
More progress.  Special thank you to Mike Sherick for sharing idea of replacing the plastic fasteners with sidewalk bolts and u clips on my liners...a lot easier to be able to remove and work on now and looks fantastic.  Also would like to thank Mike for making me some wonderful sidewall accessories on his 3-D printer.  They are being painted and will be installed shortly.  Won't be long until it takes flight.
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: FredK on April 02, 2023, 04:53:02 AM
Looking terrific Scott!  I like your attention to detail throughout!

Fred K
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: jackpilot on April 03, 2023, 01:29:42 PM
Great.
Keep pics coming...

2 easy improvements I did on my 73

The red dot of the Escape rope panel.
Make it a button.
https://www.flightdecksolutions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3995&start=133

The FDS front center post is too thin vs the real plane
Just adding two 1" wide strips on each side makes it more like the original

https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/index.php?topic=5735.msg41373#msg41373

Jack
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: fsaviator on April 22, 2023, 10:18:29 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: XOrionFE NG Build - 3rd time's a charm!
Post by: XOrionFE on April 24, 2023, 04:48:40 AM
Back up and running.   Prosim is working great with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020!  I am replacing my 60 inch TVs seen here with 75" ones.  More pictures to come.  Now my overhead rebuild begins...

Scott