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Title: Newbie question for switches
Post by: wax78 on January 08, 2014, 02:41:05 AM
Hi,

Let me first wish you a happy New Year 2014 to all of you!

As i'm trying to understand the mess of the different switch types on the overhead, i was thinking about mini or standard switches.

My overhead panels are drilles with 12mm holes, my first idea then is to implement standard switches since the mini will not fit the holes. My question is: are you aware of any tips to fit a mini toggle switch into this 12mm holes?

I'm concerned because i've noticed that mini toggle swiches are cheaper, lighter and easier to find that standard...

Thank you.
JP
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 03:44:18 AM
Forget about those toy toggle switches, I have used them on a panel before that I made, and they really didn't give me that proper switch feel. They panel didn't even make it into the cockpit until I used these and I am much more happier with these.

I would recommend these and they are cheap enough to get you started if you are on a budget, and none have failed me so far.

Panel cutout diameter: 12.2mm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111193892584?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111193892584?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121161815499?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121161815499?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

Hope that helps, I use these with caps and they work great.
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: wax78 on January 08, 2014, 03:50:36 AM
Thank you.

But it seems your links don't work. It redirects me to a service error page.

Can you try again?

Title: Newbie question for switches
Post by: archen on January 08, 2014, 03:59:43 AM
+1!!

Don't get those cheap miniature switches.quality and feel is horrible. They will eventually fall apart, been there. Now I only use high quality parts (within limits). So much better feeling and they last forever. Doesn't have to cost you a fortune either.

Carling is a good brand I use in my sim. Affordable too.


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Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: wax78 on January 08, 2014, 05:42:08 AM
Thanks archen.

i found some good price on futurlec.com.

I can't find mom-off-mom switchs although. Still looking for it.
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 07:05:28 AM
They work for me, weird. Ok, here is the item number that you can just put into Ebay's search. Or i will try the ebay icon function too. one way or another has to work.

111193892584

121161815499

[ebay]121161815499[/ebay]

[ebay]111193892584[/ebay]

One of those links are for on off on momentary switches !!!

let me know if it works !
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: wax78 on January 08, 2014, 07:41:06 AM
Thanks again.

It seems that the page is blocked for legal restrictions... Realyy weird.
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 07:42:23 AM
ok, have you actually went  to your own countries ebay address, and then put in the item number in the ebay search ? and you get what ? can you screen shot it please ? I don't understand why.
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 07:54:42 AM
Actually don't bother, I am getting it too when I go to Ebay.fr and do a search.

Can you goto ebay.co.uk instead of ebay.fr and then do a item number search. See what happens.

Just for your information the price of the switches are:

10 x On/Off for 10 is US $7.15 (free shipping)

the momentary  10 x on/off/on for  is  US $9.18 (free shipping)

If the ebay.co.uk method does not work for you then type this in the search box.

QuoteNew 10 X 6-Pin Toggle DPDT ON-OFF-ON Momentary Switch 15A 250V High Quality EP98

New 10pcs 2-Pin Toggle ON-OFF Switch 15A 250V High Quality EP98 Hot Sale

Hope that helps you, if not, well then I will have to think of more ideas  ???
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: wax78 on January 08, 2014, 08:59:53 AM
Still doesn't work for me even from my wife's computer.

I will try from my office tomorrow, anyway, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 09:14:04 AM
No problem bud. If anyone else is reading this, can you guys please try the above links and see if they work for you and let me know ? as I am stumped as to why they are not working for JP.
Title: Newbie question for switches
Post by: archen on January 08, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
Works for me


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Title: Newbie question for switches
Post by: archen on January 08, 2014, 10:14:59 AM
Here's the switches:


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Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: Sean on January 08, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
Links work ok for me from the UK
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 10:40:12 AM
Thanks guys for the feedback. I get them too on Ebay.ie
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: Sean on January 08, 2014, 11:38:40 AM
I also meant to say, go with 12mm switches. Doubly so if your overhead is ready for them. Mine was drilled for miniature and I enlarged them all.
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: wax78 on January 08, 2014, 12:15:39 PM
Thanks guys!

You all have convinced me to move on with 12mm switches.

I will keep you posted of my adventure...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Great stuff, at least you didn't make the same mistake using silly toy toggles as I stated in a earlier post. You can't go wrong with the ones I showed you, and they are cheap too. I just hope you get that funny Ebay thing sorted out.
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Sean on January 08, 2014, 11:38:40 AM
I also meant to say, go with 12mm switches. Doubly so if your overhead is ready for them. Mine was drilled for miniature and I enlarged them all.

That must have been a pain in a the A$$, I did that also with one of my left switch panels, and I had nearly every hole done to the 12mm parameter, and then perspex cracked on me. Panel was dustbin material after that and had to start again with new dimensions for the switches. Oh well. It happens.
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: Sean on January 08, 2014, 10:34:49 PM
Mine is aluminium, but it was a pain, mainly because it's hard to be gentle with a 12mm drill bit. Once it gets a bite, it just doesn't want to stop. I opened the holes up a mm at a time.
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: fordgt40 on January 08, 2014, 11:10:21 PM
Just one point to consider. If you intend to backlight your overhead and are not using integral lighting eg IBL panels, then you will discover that 12mm size toggle switches are so large that they will mask the backlighting and prevent the light illuminating sections of the front face lettering. This applies to the 737 overhead

David
Title: Newbie question for switches
Post by: archen on January 08, 2014, 11:25:26 PM
I have some ON-OFF carling switches over if you are interested. Brand new.

Send me a PM if interested.


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Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: wax78 on January 09, 2014, 03:07:26 AM
OK, it works from my office, pretty cool, but i'm connected behind a vpn which let ebay think that i'm in the USA... Awesome!

I'm still hesitating between your offer in ebay and the one i saw in futurlec website, which is quite affordable as well.

@archen: thanks for your offer, i'm also looking for locking toggle switch, i'm interested if you have some.

@fordgt40: thanks for the info. Will it be possible although to put some backlight into the overhead?
Title: Newbie question for switches
Post by: archen on January 09, 2014, 03:35:19 AM
Sorry, no locking toggles. Onlinecomponents and verical have the best prices for those. Be aware that these switches are NOT cheap. $20-30 each if you are lucky. That does not include the white top which is purchased seperately. You can also use FDS silicon hats if you heat them up and stretch them a bit.




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Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: fordgt40 on January 09, 2014, 04:18:38 AM
Quote from: wax78 on January 09, 2014, 03:07:26 AM
OK, it works from my office, pretty cool, but i'm connected behind a vpn which let ebay think that i'm in the USA... Awesome!

I'm still hesitating between your offer in ebay and the one i saw in futurlec website, which is quite affordable as well.

@archen: thanks for your offer, i'm also looking for locking toggle switch, i'm interested if you have some.

@fordgt40: thanks for the info. Will it be possible although to put some backlight into the overhead?

Wax 78

Yes, you can still backlight, but the legends on the front plates will be unevenly lit or possibly unlit where the 12mm toggles mask the lettering
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: jackpilot on January 09, 2014, 09:19:10 AM
I found some aero toggles on EBay parts with a very small footprint.
Handy for backlighting issues.
Here is a pic  (better than words):
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: wax78 on January 09, 2014, 10:06:44 AM
Difference is obvious. I will take a look on it!
Title: Re: Newbie question for switches
Post by: dc8flightdeck on January 10, 2014, 06:58:57 AM
Quote from: hexpope on January 08, 2014, 03:44:18 AM
Forget about those toy toggle switches, I have used them on a panel before that I made, and they really didn't give me that proper switch feel. They panel didn't even make it into the cockpit until I used these and I am much more happier with these.

I would recommend these and they are cheap enough to get you started if you are on a budget, and none have failed me so far.

Panel cutout diameter: 12.2mm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111193892584?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111193892584?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121161815499?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121161815499?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

Hope that helps, I use these with caps and they work great.

I completely agree! In addition, aircraft switches have a heavy duty look and feel. If youre used to the real thing then the cheap switches look and feel wrong when flying the sim.