At the request of a few guys, I promised to review Simworld's new CAN gauges once i received them, so here we go !
** NOTE: I am not affiliated with or paid/sponsored by Simworld, this is an independent review of my purchase for the benefit of others on the forum.
So I ordered the full overhead set, plus the Oxy, Flaps and Brake pressure gauges, and the Simbox CAN controller.
Filip from Simworld also included the wiring kit and a CAN dimmer as part of the package, as I was one of the first to buy the gauges.
I had about a 4 week lead time, but I also ordered other hardware at the same time, so lead times may vary.
Shipped though UPS, 5 days to ship from Poland to Australia which is pretty quick. (takes me 3 days to get mail from Sydney!!)
Everything was superbly packed, each gauge was individually boxed and bubble wrapped, then the whole box was also double bubble wrapped.
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First out of the box, the Cabin Pressurization Gauge. Quality is magnificent on all these gauges, even replica screws moulded into the bezels.
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The circuit boards are custom made for Simworld, not copies of another brand. There are options for running the gauges as CAN gauges or PWM, so than be controlled with existing servo controllers. There appears to be places on the board for USB connectors and IBL power, so that could be a future option.
A simple round power connector, green CAN bus connector and 2 PWM connectors. The red connector seems to be a diagnostic/testing plug.
All the gauges have this same layout, and there are surface mount LEDs for power, faults and CAN activity.
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Brake Pressure Gauge, note that the faces of all these gauges are not printed like the others on the market. They are actually laser engraved, so the lettering is crystal clear and bright white in the daytime, and when backlit you get no light bleed through the black background, just the markings illuminate as well as the back of the needles.
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You can see the surface mount LEDs used for backlighting on the inner circuit board.
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Flaps Gauge (Dual needle) Both needles are independent and are the same stacked height as the real gauges. As usual build quality is awesome.
NOTE: I have a Simworld MIP and Overheads, and these gauges slot right in, all the holes line up, even the screws are painted ans the right type!. This may be different depending on your MIP/Ohead manufacturer.
(I find Simworld's measurements to pretty much identical to real world sizes.)
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Fuel Temp and Oxygen Pressure, another example of Simworld's detail - the fonts on these gauges are different, just as the real aircraft.
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APU EGT, note that the gauges being shipped have the correct blue font for the "x100 Degrees" legend, where the ones the the promo shots and video do not
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Duct pressure, even comes with the extended faceplate to mount it correctly :)
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Cabin climb, correctly shaped as per the real unit.
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Outflow Valve. Note that this is not a true standalone CAN gauge, as its size prohibits the hardware needed. it is operated by a servo, which connects to the PWM out port of the Cabin climb gauge, and is also configured and calibrated automatically.
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This is the CAN Dimmer module. It is designed to fit around the hole for the flood light in the Fwd overhead. This also connects to the CAN bus and controls the backlighting for all the gauges on the bus automatically.
There are connections for Pot _In and Pot_Out, and the neat feature about this is that if you have backlighting through a pot installed already, you connect that pot the Pot_in port and then run the wires on to your existing dimmer and they will both work off the one pot!
This allows you to control the backlighting of your panels and gauges with the one knob.
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Simbox CAN Controller. Encased in a strong aluminium housing. It would be nice to have some sort of mounting holes to attach it solidly, but it can still be easily attached using other methods,
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Simple connection, one end has a USB port (the 2 holes either side are for the status LED and the reset button)
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The other end has a simple 2-pin CAN connector.
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The setup needed to run the Simbox with Prosim is as easy as ticking the box for Simworld Hardware support, and plugging into a USB port.
That's it!. No drivers needed, no software to install, no config needed, no calibration needed. It is quite literally plug and play.
The Cable kit has 10 metres of power cable, and CAN cable. All high grade cables, and quite thick. Each gauge can draw up to 0.3A with the backlight at maximum, so with 8 gauges in the chain you need good cable.
The basic idea of the cables are that you have a power line, and a separate CAN line. (Both twin core cables)
One end of the CAN line plugs into the Simbox, then runs to your first gauge thought to the last gauge. At the end of the CAN line there is a small plug with a terminator plugged in to signal the end of the bus. At each gauge position, you attach a pre-made branch tee with an E-clamp with a 6' length of line.
The same is done for the power line, with one end connecting to a 5v power supply.
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The branch tees are pre-wired with connectors
CAN Branches
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Power branches
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These branches are connected with E-clamps, which allow you to "Tee" into a cable without cutting it or soldering it. You simply open the end of the tee, and place the wire inside it, then close it and squeeze together with pliers. This cuts lightly into the insulation and joins the conductors together. These are a form of IDC connection as used in telephone and CAT 5 computer cabling. (Insulation Displacement Connector)
These are NOT the same thing as used on automotive wiring, those are crude and prone to faulty connections. The e-clamps provided from Simworld are far superior, and do not damage the cables. Also they are completely re-usable.
E-clamps:
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The other ends of the branch tees are pre-fitted with the CAN and power connectors
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CAN Branch connected to the main CAN line
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This shows a gauge connected to both CAN and power
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I will not be wiring these gauges up until i mount them in my overhead, but i did wire a few together on the bench just to test it out, and to show how they are wired. :)
(Note the power connector are not plugged in in this photo)
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Testing!
As stated earlier, there is literally no config to do to get these gauges working in Prosim with the Simbox CAN controller. Prosim recognizes the Simbox and it just all works.
I did have a problem with my power supply, for some reason it stopped the Simbox from talking to the gauges properly. Swapped for a higher quality unit and no problems at all! (My fault for buying a crappy chinese E-bay special power supply!!)
I would like to make a special note here that Filip from Simworld truly went above and beyond to help me get them working! his customer service is simply awesome.
The gauges are a wonder to watch, perfectly smooth and fluid movement, they exactly mirror the speed of the needles in Prosim Panel. No fast jerky movements like you see in servo gauges.
Powering on the gauges they perform a self test where the needle goes to full left scale and the stepper motors calibrate, then they move to their selected positions.
The backlighting is one of the main reasons i bought these gauges, and I am not dissapointed. - it is beautiful :)
(I spent several hundred dollars and a few months making my own servo gauges, which looked awesome during the day, but when lit up at night they just didn't look right. The black background would be a washy grey when lit, or the numbers were too dark etc etc.)
Simworld have it nailed with these gauges, the laser engraved faces allow perfect lettering in the day, and an ultra realistic lighting effect at night.
My tests had the gauges outside the overhead, so there is a lot of side light that you would not see if they were mounted. This made them look brighter overall in my photos. Also my shitty camera on the phone is apparently super-shitty at taking low light photos.
As many of you know, it is hard to get a photo of backlighting that does it justice, but i can assure you the gauges look much better in the flesh than in these photos, especially at low backlight levels. I think they have found the perfect Surface mount LED to replicate real bulbs!
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I will update with more photos and videos once they are mounted and wired properly.
Conclusion
I think this is one of the best purchases I have made to date. The added realism of gauges that both look and operate like the real thing is second to none.
(short of converting the real thing, that is! I have spent almost 2 months converting a standby RMI!)
For those with Simworld MIPs/oveheads, i would say there is no substitute for these, given the ease of mounting and wiring. You could literally install all these gauges and wire them and have them running in under 30 minutes.
For those with other platforms such as FDS or Engravity etc, you may need to do some work to make the gauges fit correctly, but wiring them is still a snap :)
When you look at what else is on the market, there is no comparison.
The big competitor would be Flight Illusion, but the following reasons make Simworld a better option IMO
* Backlighting - 2 LEDs stuck in behind the lens on FI gauges just light up the face unevenly, and cause shadowing and reflections. Simworld units are lit from behind with even smooth light.
* Software and setup - You need to install , configure and run the FI software to get the gauges working, then calibrate all the gauges. Simworld you just plug in a USB cable.
* Bezels - FI gauges have no bezels around the front of the instrument, where the Simworld ones do.
* 3D - most of the FI gauges are flat faces, even the dual needle ones. Simworld units have the correct 3D stepped layers making up the faceplates.
* Price - With current pricing the Simworld package is only a bit over half as much as the same thing from FI (ex VAT and shipping)
Anyway, this is all just my opinion, and I am not knocking FI's products, I just would highly recommend these to anyone looking at gauges.
Feel free to ask any specifics, i have only made a general overview here.
Mickc,
Simply awesome!
Those are really impressive and you are a lucky man.
Think you for such a complete update.
I must agree with you , I have the Simworld MIP and Filip is always eager to help when I have a question.
In my opinion, there are VERY FEW in this industry who are as responsive as he is and is one of the main reasons I look to Simworld first for stuff.
These gauges are on my short list now!
Another of the very few responsive guys in this industry is Steve Cos of FDS. Nothing is too much trouble and his response times are phenomenal.
I 100 percent agree!!!
That's why I capitalized "FEW"
Those guys at FDS are included in my book.
Thanks mick for your elaborate review. I've just finished assembling FI gauges (including 'your' genuine trim air ind. gauge) in my FDS OVH panels and MIP. So unfortunately no Simworld for me for the time being. But I admit, they are brilliant!
Thanx for the review, Mick.
I have just bought a full set as well.
I sold off my servo gauges in my OH to Gwyn from AeroSim Solutions in Perth and had intentions of replacing them with FI ones.
I was lucky that SimWorld bought these out, just in time. I saved over 600 bucks going this way.
You've now put my mind at rest, that I've done the right thing!
Thanx, Mate,
Frank Cooper
I would like to say thank you Mickc for taking the time to put this review together for the group!
Is it just me or does anyone else find it interesting that chantry23 should register and post at the same time about something that had nothing to do with canbus gauges :)
I think it is interesting....
He had asked me about gauges and referred him to this post. Maybe he should have mentioned that?
He ordered and has installed the APU gauge in his FDS OH. He is working on installing the remaining gauges. So far so good on installation. This has been on his list of items to add to his full B737 simulator. Running PM and interfacing went easy. He has been building for several years and is cleaning up on his list.
Just the facts...
Quote from: hirail22 on April 22, 2014, 01:49:19 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else find it interesting that chantry23 should register and post at the same time about something that had nothing to do with canbus gauges :)
Just a note:
Martin made a comment on vendor responsiveness (following Craig's remark on that subject) after Steve Cos kindly referred him to a CB post raving about an FDS competitor product !!
Martin took the opportunity to join CB and, being an experienced 737 builder, his presence here is an asset.
Cheers all :D
Jack
To test the back lighting so Simworlds gauges is it just the power cable that needs to be plugged in? At the moment I am not getting the lighting to show. Unfortunately Simworld have closed down until May 5th.....
Quote from: hirail22 on April 22, 2014, 01:49:19 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else find it interesting that chantry23 should register and post at the same time about something that had nothing to do with canbus gauges :)
I think it's Just you mate..
Great review!!!
Chris
Quote from: Chantry23 on April 24, 2014, 09:09:17 AM
To test the back lighting so Simworlds gauges is it just the power cable that needs to be plugged in? At the moment I am not getting the lighting to show. Unfortunately Simworld have closed down until May 5th.....
If you have the CAN dimmer, you obviously need the CAN bus plugged in as well, but if you are using the IBL terminals on the gauge board, i think you need to apply power to the IBL terminals and make sure the backlight switch is in the EXT IBL position.
Well, Mick, I certainly haven't been as lucky as you.
I bought and paid nearly 2 grand for the complete package on the 17th April (nearly 2 weeks ago) and I can't even get a reply from these guys.
I paid priority shipping, and according to their site, it hasn't even been shipped, so I can probably expect at least another week or two.
I have sent three emails asking for some explanation, but to no avail.
I know it's been Easter and holidays, but 2 weeks is a bit beyond a joke.
I'm starting to think I should have gone with a tried and true company like Flight Illusions.
I'll certainly let you know what happens.
I better not get an email saying they had problems with their email system, I've heard that load of bollocks one too many times from crappy flight sim resellers!
Frank Cooper
Spoke with Filip about a week or so ago he said they will be on holidays till 5th of May, last email I sent I got an automated reply saying they were closed till then.
Frank,
Hirail is right, they are closed for holidays, opening again on the 5th. They usually put this info up on their website, but perhaps not in this case.
Don't panic mate, they are completely above board :)
Did Filip give you a lead time to make the gauges? I'm pretty sure they are built to order, so Im not sure they would get shipped within a day or so after payment.
My order took 3 and a bit weeks, although there was other hardware involved in that.
Thanx Mick,
I was really getting worried and about to cancel the order.
It would have been nice if they'd let me know, I sent them my payment on the 17th, so they could have at least emailed me, but maybe they were on holidays by then.
I'll hold on, I'm not in that big of a hurry, but paying the extra for express post is a bit of a bummer!
Thanx again for the explanation, I appreciate it,
Frank Cooper
Hi guys,
Well, after this great review and feedback, I have bit the bullet and ordered the Simworld gauges too.
Just starting off with the flap and brake gauges, as well as the Simbox for the moment. Once I have a completed overhead and have some spare cash, and after I purchase another sewing machine for my lovely wife, I'll order the full overhead set as well.
I also have Simworld front plates on my MIP, so looking forward to the easy installation.
Karl
Sewing machines with PA, VNAV, LNAV and motorized pedal are so cheap these days that you should be on your gauges way fairly soon.
:D
Jack
They'd look fantastic in your sim, Karl.
Good to see you round, mate.
Frank Cooper
Lol Jack, I hope so! :D This "machine" she is talking about has like 10 needles - It's the A380 of sewing machines and I have a feeling it will come with the equivalent price tag too!
Thanks Frank, I'm still around, just been busy. I think the gauges will be great. I'll post some pics when I get them installed.
Karl
Rest assured you'll get your gauges. Simworld have the best support of any company I've dealt with.
:2cw:
Quote from: Karl737 on April 30, 2014, 07:48:18 PM
It's the A380 of sewing machines
Does one of the needles explode shortly after you start sewing? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Hello,
I am amazed at what I read about the acquisition of these gauges.
In fact, if I understand you could buy one or two gauges and not the entire set. Similarly, it seems that you have gauges of "flaps" and brakes. "It turns out that for my part, I do not see these gauges on site Simwofld.
How did you, a special touch with Filip ?
Regards,
I just got my complete set of Overhead gauges from SimWorld, along with the CANbus controller box and dimmer card.
This is by far the best Boeing replica instruments on the market today, and the production quality of both electronics and mechanics is first class!
I was SimWorld's first paying customer when purchasing their Overhead panels, and I am duly impressed with their entire product line.
I bet the guys deserve a few days off, and welcome them back to continue developing and delivering the toys we need!
Vidar
Quote from: mickc on May 01, 2014, 03:47:40 AM
Quote from: Karl737 on April 30, 2014, 07:48:18 PM
It's the A380 of sewing machines
Does one of the needles explode shortly after you start sewing? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I can absolutely guarantee it will! Would that be an uncontained needle failure?? :laugh:
Gafau,
Yes you can email Filip and order the gauges you want.
He told me they just haven't gotten them on the website store yet but they are available seperately.
The gauges are slightly less expensive if you buy the set but not all of us are in a position to do that.
I am ordering the flaps gauge, sim box and cabling very soon myself.
After saving my SIM-bucks for a while I will order the overhead set.
Filip is a real pleasure to deal with.
Craig
Thank you very much for your clarification Craig,
Yes, it's better to buy only what you need especially if you have no oh
Agree with you, Filip is really cool.
gufau
I also have to buy all my gauges for my cockpit.
My MIP and OVH (FlyEngravity) are compatible with the FI-gauges. So I don't know if the SimWorld gauges fit ...
I still want to see the SimWorld gauges in real and in action during the FSWeekend in Lelystad (In the autumn).
Difficult now to make a decision ;).
Big relief.
Filip emailed me today and confirmed they were on holidays and assured me that my order is under way and I'll get my gauges as soon as they can make and ship them.
That's good enough for me,
Frank Cooper
FDS Overhead
I have just completed the installation of Overhead gauges from Simworld. The majority fitted perfectly with no more than the need for the screw holes to be slightly enlarged.
The pressure gauges could not be fitted from behind as with the other gauges. The larger gauge needed the hole enlarged considerably but with the gauge being inserted from the front my poor cutting was completely masked! The smaller gauge was inserted from the front also because of the authentic shaped faceplate. The back lighting is superb. All in all very smart!
I just got my package yesterday, after a call from UPS asking for a further 342 bucks for duty and customs.
What a gyp? I wish now, I'd remembered and asked the guys to spilt the order in two and then I'd have been better off and saved 342 bucks.
Anyway, they are a work of art, to say the least. No need to put up any pics, cause the ones at the start of the thread say it all.
I was a little surprised that there is no instructions on how to put them together. I know it's all pretty self explanatory, but there isn't even any instructions on the web site. Perhaps Filip or one of the guys need to include a rudimentary set of instructions for the novices like me.
I have a problem, tho. When I went to put them in my overhead (which had a full set of OC gauges originally mounted in it) the holes were all different. This meant I had to widen out the holes.
I don't like to do this, as there is a chance the edge of the hole may show and also the swarf from drilling out the hole can get into the other gauges and switches that are already mounted.
The alternative is to pull everything out of the overhead and do the mounting holes first, but that is unrealistic if your overhead is already wired, like mine.
Then, a further problem. I have installed Archen's starter solenoid switches and one of the gauges hits the starter switch. I'm not sure how I'm going to get around this, maybe a spacer, or something, but I'm going to shoot an email to Archen, to let him know of this problem.
It's a shame to have these few problems. I don't know why we can't have some regulatory spec on things like gauges and panels, whereby manufacturers parts will work side by side, instead of leaving us to rectify and modify parts.
I am looking forward to the finished product and will throw a few pics up, when I get the OH mounted in my shell.
Frank Cooper
Hi Frank,
Yes, the UPS call is never a cheap one :(
I have tried getting shipments split, but still they use the combined value. The only way is to get them sent a week apart, but then the extra shipping cost starts approaching the import costs anyway....
Filip is working on a basic instruction set, but as these are custom made depending on the customers order and configuration, its a bit hard to make a general manual...
I too had the issue with Archen's starter switches, i just turned the switch 90 degrees, no problem.
Good luck with the regulatory specs! Thats a bit like trying to get Ford parts to fit Toyota cars!
Thanx, Mick, I thought about turning the starter switch 90 degrees, but wasn't sure if it would still work. Now I have my answer.
I made a wooden mount for my overhead today, so it's a lot easier to get to all the places for wiring and fitment of the gauges.
I'm going to bite the bullet on the pressure gauges and re-make the panel. There is no way I can make the nice Simworld bezels fit in the crappy overhead panel. I'll look at doing the same for the rest of the gauges as I don't want to miss out on the simworld bezels and plexiglass.
I got a few pics today, so I'll throw them on later on.
Thanx again, mate.
Frank Cooper
I feel your pain here Frank. My first overhead was simworld and my OC gauges didn't fit! I then bought the OC overhead and wanted to fit archens switches - in the end I thought 'stuff this' and bought 1 of everything CP flight - job done.
The problem is it just takes so long to get all the modifications done otherwise. Like I said, I feel your pain mate - been there too
You are right Andrew and I've thought about selling this OH and buying a complete Simworld OH, but I am too far in now.
Here's a few pics, explaining the problem.
This is the quick frame I made up so I can work on the OH easily
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And here is the problem where the gauge hits the Archen switch
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I'm going to try and turn the switch 90 degrees tomorrow, like Mike suggested and see if that works.
I love the gauges, tho, they are so well made.
Frank Cooper
Do any of you information if the Archen Switches fit in a FDS OVHD Panel?
I may run into the same problem.
JF
I mean, kind of thoughtless from me, the FDS with the Flight Illusion gauges instead.?
I know you have used the FDS one ( which I have ).
Quote from: jfuenmayor on May 22, 2014, 06:55:45 AM
Do any of you information if the Archen Switches fit in a FDS OVHD Panel?
I may run into the same problem.
JF
Yes they fit (and I have FI gauges).
I've had a bit of a win today.
I decided against making new panels. I discovered that the crappy bezels already mounted on the overhead are only stuck on, so I took them all off. I now have to work out a way of enlarging all the holes, as professionally as possible, to accommodate the new gauges.
I also turned the Starter switch around, but that has just boght about a new set of complications.
The starter switch shaft that the knob sits on is flat on one side, thus allowing for a knob of the same shape to fit.
I know that I could just fit another knob (without the flat section) but the knobs are a set and I'd like it keep them, if I can.
It is also better mechanically, as you are not entirely reliant on the grub screws holding on to the shaft, if they get a bit worn.
I'm sure I'll come up with an alternate plan.
Frank Cooper
Thanks Edward, was going to comment as well. They do fit nicely.
Many thanks to Edward and Steve. Now I will order them after hearing from the experts.
JF
Quote from: tennyson on May 23, 2014, 12:32:04 AM
I've had a bit of a win today.
I decided against making new panels. I discovered that the crappy bezels already mounted on the overhead are only stuck on, so I took them all off. I now have to work out a way of enlarging all the holes, as professionally as possible, to accommodate the new gauges.
I also turned the Starter switch around, but that has just boght about a new set of complications.
The starter switch shaft that the knob sits on is flat on one side, thus allowing for a knob of the same shape to fit.
I know that I could just fit another knob (without the flat section) but the knobs are a set and I'd like it keep them, if I can.
It is also better mechanically, as you are not entirely reliant on the grub screws holding on to the shaft, if they get a bit worn.
I'm sure I'll come up with an alternate plan.
Frank Cooper
Shoot me an email Frank I'll make you a D-shaped shaft in the other direction so it can be mounted in 90 degrees.
If you are confident to change it. It's not hard. A couple of screws that needs too loosened and some parts to be removed. Completed in 15mins.
Anders
Now, that's great support, right there, guys.
Thanx Anders, I've sent you an email, mate.
Frank
Since the thread sort of migrated to Ander's switches, I'll just reinforce it a bit. I just installed these magnificent switches on my FDS OVHD, They fit but I have the early version of the OVHD, I am not sure if there have been any modifications to it in the most recent ones, but in mine I had to do a bit of work because one connector for the lower IBL panel ( the left viewed from the cockpit, right from above ) was blocked by the switch , just about 2 mm. I had to solder two wires to the terminal in the panel and pass them through. I had to make a direct connection since I did not have a male connector for the IBL. Anyhow, it worked well. I also used FDS Relay-8 card, a snap.
Thanks Anders and FDS.
JF
Hi guys,
I ordered the Simworld flap and brake gauges a few weeks back and they have since arrived and been installed.
I won't go back over what Mick has reviewed so well, but I will reiterate how well made and impressive these gauges are as well as the fact that they truly are plug and play.
Installation in my MIP including wiring took me a total of an hour. The only issue was initially the Simbox wasn't being picked up, but this was due to my crappy USB hub. I ran a lead directly from the Simbox to the computer and the gauges fired straight up.
In short, I can't recommend them enough!
Karl
Karl,
How big is the Brake Pressure gauge? There may be a size issue with having the TAKE-OFF CONFIG and CABIN ALTITUDE annuciators. This has been seen with Flight Illusion gauges as well.
Thanks!
Hi Steve,
The back of the Brake Pressure gauge is 54 mm x 54 mm square.
Karl
Hi guys,
I ordered the Simworld O/H gauges a few weeks ago, on July 22nd to be exact and I just received them last night, very we'll packed and they look awesome.
Not in a rush to install them because they are not compatible with Sim-A yet, Mark is working on an update to use them with Sim-A, they work right out of the box with ProSim737.
All I have to say is that they look fantastic !
Now we don't have to guess if the EGT is rising or not when starting APU! Yay, no more stickers!
Keep you up to date on the install, cheers.
I haven't touched my overhead for quite a while, but I eventually worked out all my fitment issues and my gauges look fantastic.
I am in the final stages of hooking things all back up, so I needed to know about the hooking up of the flow control valve gauge.
I turned to the Simworld site, but there's no paperwork or psd files or even a forum to ask about it, so I remembered that Mick had done this fabulous write up last year.
I came back here and there was my answer.
Thanx to Mick and Cockpitbuilders. I can finish up the overhead now.
Frank Cooper
You are right Frank,
They don't have a detailed set of instructions or pictures to support the installation, I had issues with the gauges not turning on at all at the beginning, BUT I have to say that their customer support is second to none, after a few emails with Pilip I was referred to his top technical guy and in less than 4hours my gauges where working, he pointed out my mistake on the installation and referred me to Nicks pictures on this site, there was the answer all this time.
I have to say that Simworld, Cockpitbuilders and other good companies here make a great team.
That's why I'm glue to this site! Thank you.
Same here Sam,
I had an issue when I first set the gauges up due to the cheap power supply I was using, Filip and the team worked with me tirelessly to to solve the problem, even though it was my Ebay power supply that was the fault!
Glad you have them working. :)
Stay tuned for a full review on the new Simworld Plug and Play MCP and EFIS units ;D ;D
Users of the gauges will be able to use the same CAN box to run the MCP and EFIS, with just the same amount of setup and configuration needed (absolutely none!)
http://www.simworld.pl/shop/product_info.php?products_id=107 (http://www.simworld.pl/shop/product_info.php?products_id=107)
I may also have a review on another new Simworld P&P product too, ;)
Hi Guys,
I know this thread has been dead for a while, but I only just got around to starting up my Simworld gauges in my overhead and thought I'd show you all this little vid I did on them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKSMYCoDJY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKSMYCoDJY)
Frank Cooper
Great video, lots of detail info, thank you Frank.