All, I was over at the ProSim737 forum and got surprised about statements that x-plane is not commercially attractive and it was stated that only 5% of us are using x-plane. Are the aerodynamics at 20000 feet so bad that it becomes a deal breaker?
It would be interesting to know how many have converted to x-plane. I have invited all those being told that x-plane has no future to come over here.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Cheers
Luis
I have. I dont run FSX or Prepar3d at all anymore. I have a whole stack of pricey orbx software and megascenery along with tons of aerosoft titles collecting dust on the shelf for past year and a half.
One of the reasons I dumped the NG was because the Prosim guys kept promising but never delivered and I found some of the folks on their forums to be really haters of those of us running x-plane. Decided finally to give up. I loved their product but without x-plane support it was worthless to me.
That said, it seems Prepar3d keeps getting better all the time. Ultimately it is great that we have all of these choices and various developers are keeping all flavors alive and well.
I've fully converted.
I started entertaining X-Plane back in Version 6. Sadly it was just not up to par with FSX/FS2004. The scenery, display, environment, weather, ATC was horrible.
However, the flight physics.. even way back then, were superb and easily out-classed anything MS had to offer.
Fast forward to today.
Scenery is amazing. Flight physics is improving (Not that it was bad to begin with) yet it keeps getting better. Weather, hardware interfaces, Arduino & Teensy interface libraries all are maturing at a phenomenal rate. My entire sim is now X-Plane and I've never looked back. The night lighting, scenery, freeware airports and aircraft, in addition to some really great payware AC make X-Plane the winner hands-down.
Looking back, FSX, even P3D looks a bit 'cartoonish'.
A few months ago I bought the full version of P3D... I've used it...
...once.
It just doesn't compare anymore to X-Plane.
Quote from: RayS on May 11, 2016, 07:23:24 PM
Looking back, FSX, even P3D looks a bit cartoonish
Ray, you hit the nail on the head. Cartoonish is how I would describe as well. That is exactly the way I felt trying to run latest versions of P3d. No...cant go back. X-plane is just more real-life to me and I have thousands of hours in the air to compare to. Just my personal opinion of course based on my real life experiences flying. But again it is great to have options.
Back to my XP based 732...
Definitely XPlane10 for me personally.
99% of my visual work is still with FSX/P3D and honestly it hurts to look at it,
even though it pays the bills LOL.
However the next job I have involves a FDS NG and dual P3D/XP Visual system. Ill let you know how it goes next month.
SimA is running REALLY well with X-Plane and improving.
Nat
X-Plane 10 all the way!
I personaly HATE FSX and Prepar3d!
It looks rubbish, and seeing people boot up their wonderful sims with 21FPS cartoonish stutter display breaks my heart!
As a programmer, thinking of the legacy compiled code that talks to the GPU Pipeline in FSX makes me want to close my eyes...
Why only XP? It´s better than real google earth!
I´m shure: XP and the x737v5 are the future for HC-building.
cockpit view 3000ft with reshade:
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bilder-upload.eu%2Fthumb%2F968f08-1463050368.jpg&hash=f8eada81396ce44ace5067773765f06c7c4d4d10) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=968f08-1463050368.jpg)
cockpit view 3000ft without reshade:
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bilder-upload.eu%2Fthumb%2F74b12d-1463050870.jpg&hash=d5065061dc03a30bfa34d41ece03658a71c0db35) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=74b12d-1463050870.jpg)
google view 3000ft
(https://www.cockpitbuilders.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bilder-upload.eu%2Fthumb%2F3dd6c4-1463050407.jpg&hash=92ac850b329ec10bbf6efe1727f365b6733b1a00) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=3dd6c4-1463050407.jpg)
so long, Thomas
I was a former X-Plane hater! Bashed it allot, lol Been in X-Plane now for almost 2 years! Won't go back, period! The GUI is way behind FSX/P3D but they have promised better. Actually I like it now that I have been using it but I will admit, for the first few months I was questioning myself.
With the FlyJSim 737-200 IXEG 737-300 there is no way or reason to go back! The IXEG 733 on my 4K tv's looks stunning and very real.
Rob
I too have switched. I like the graphics and the "feel" of the plane better. It has come a long way in a few years. Although I have not put my sim back together yet, more on that later, I am working on all things for the sim. Just like the 2 50" monitors I have bought from work to be my outside visuals. Post with a pic in a few.... I have just entered the Teensy world and I am liking how that is working out as well. I will not go back and the way it looks it will only get better!
I have never used X-plane. Been FSX or P3D during my 14 years of this hobby. That being said, after a few hours of phone conversations with Bob, it has got me scratching my head as to whether or not I should begin a switch as I build my 737NG cockpit.
While it may seem FSX / P3D is cartoonish as others have talked about, I have found that I really relish the accurate topography i can get with add ons like Mega Scenery.
For all you XP users, do you get the same accurate topography? Is there a 738NG plane available?
XP seems to be better suited to those building 737CL versus NGs.
Although ProSim works to a large extent, the plugin is definitely Beta from what I heard... and SimAvionics which apparently runs quite well with XP is rather "geared" towards FDS's own hardware.
Is there anyone running a full NG setup on XP and able to run the logic and autoflight as well as something in P3D?
James, if you want to build the 737NG look at the x737.
95% of the NGX and totally free!!!
No need for prosim, just hook up the dataref and you are good to go. Use Teensy with FlightControls Library.
This gives you total control!
I am building my sim on this aircraft.
Building the MCP, EFIS and real throttle conversion right now.
Hi fellows
For a P3D to XP conversion that I want to do, wich avionics suite is the best ?, Sim-A ?, XHSI ?
XHSI looks good but unfortunately not polished like ProSim.
Plus hard to integrate hardware like SimWorld with XPunless using the not-ready-for-prime-time ProSim plugin.
from the X-PLANE.ORG comments for a advanced x737-XHSI:
Quote:
"For the x737 v.5 : sure, as soon as I can find the time!
For the IXEG : sorry, nothing planned..."
So, the x737v5 will be the 738NG for cockpitbuilders.
...and befor I give ProSim737 1 Cent, I will see a working and supported program.
:2cw: so long.....
Thomas, I wrote to Marc asking him to help us and I also donated for development. Probably if all 737NG builders contribute with some donations, he might find the time to move faster.
:2cw:
Quote from: Ridgenj on May 13, 2016, 10:49:11 AM
Thomas, I wrote to Marc asking him to help us and I also donated for development. Probably is all 737NG builders contribute with some donations, he might find the time to move faster.
That´s exactly also my way to motivate somebody, to optimize his freeware for us. I tested ProSim (600€), I testet Sim-Avionics (1200€)....ok, the displays looks better at this time.
But XHSI have all conditions for a comparable product.
When others make a fuss to develop x-plane, then it´s time to support the hobby-developers.
.....so long
Just a note: SimAvionics cost is 890 Euros not 1200.
;)
Being still with XP, good ol FS9 and Magenta I will have to "refresh"
Seriouly contemplating XPlane and SimA .
Need a kick in the butt.. something like a major HD crash :D
I'm in the process of converting my 727-200 to X-plane. I moved on from fs9. Not looking back!
I have to admit that what I have seen regarding XPlane's night visuals is compelling.
However.....right now I am in sort of a very rare "sweet spot" regarding this hobby. I am flying P3Dv3.1 with SimA and all is working really fine. So I find myself flying the thing more and actually enjoying it....rather than wasting time frustratingly trying to fix this or that problem.
And P3Dv3.1 coupled with Ultimate Terrain and GEX really is not at all shabby.....particularly for daytime flying.
So for the foreseeable future I just want to enjoy the "sweet spot" before embarking on my next quest. When I get bored with it I will move on.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Fred K
100% Agreed.
Yes... Switching is not plug an play! There is a lot of work to switch. I am switching because I am on a new build so now is the time to play.
I also agree, if not broken don't fix it.
I need to rebuild and this is the best time to switch
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I have a Jetmax737 from FDS that I would like to get fully synced with X Plane 10. Who do I need to contact in order to get some help with this?
You're in the right place. :-)
I think one of the big differences in X-Plane is it's handling of switch/button events.
Take the landing gear lever for example:
In the FSX/P3D world, you could wire up a simple SPST switch and FSX/P3D can recognize the 'On' event as 'Gear up'. Likewise the 'Off' event for that same switch could recognize it as a Gear Down event.
Not so with X-Plane (Disclaimer: Yes there are plugins to circumvent this issue but I try to run as few plugins as possible, lending towards stability)
In X-Plane, Gear Up Gear down requires 2 separate switch 'On' events. In this case you would need at least a SPDT switch.
X-Plane sees both Switch 'On' events and you can assign 1 'On' event to gear up, and the other 'On' event to Gear down.
If you're not confused yet, it only gets better! :-)
Basically when I converted my FSX sim to X-Plane all I really needed to do was replace all my SPST switches with SPDT. Granted, that ate up twice as many inputs on my interface cards but a lot of flok here are using Teensy.
Teensy and X-Plane are a match made in heaven. Teensy can act as an IO card, joystick card, and has the ability to talk directly to Datarefs (The equivalent of FSUIPC Offsets)
Welcome to the dark side! We have cookies. :-)
Great help. Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I have NO experience with that software/program. Do you mind going in a little more detail for what this will be needed for and how to manipulate it? I will be running Sim Avionics if that's any help.
Quote from: JustinWheat on May 17, 2016, 04:05:21 PM
I have a Jetmax737 from FDS that I would like to get fully synced with X Plane 10. Who do I need to contact in order to get some help with this?
Justin, if you have a JetMax then your best bet is to use Sim-Avionics and FDS Hardware along with XPUIPC. This works and would be your easiest route (assuming you also have FDS MCP, EFIS, CDU, and radios. Note that CP flight also works in this setup. Using Teensy/Arduino and the x737 or the new Classic to interface your setup would likely be very difficult. You need a lot of wiring and programming knowledge and would have to likely modify your electronics thus voiding any warranty from the vendors.
This is why when I decided to go down the Teensy/Xplane path I switched out everything I had with real hardware like Rob did.
Long story short, if you have all the vendor hardware already for an NG then use Sim-A. If not, get out your breadboard, buy a teensy, and start learning how to code.
Scott
We all know that you are not looking for easy ways. :)
Scott,
Yes everything on the Jetmax is from Flightdeck Solutions MCP, EFIS, CDU, and Radios/Transponder. Is there anything special I need to know to interface with Sim Avionics? I am assuming it works with the x737 and XPUIPC?
Quote from: JustinWheat on May 18, 2016, 06:33:59 AM
Scott,
Yes everything on the Jetmax is from Flightdeck Solutions MCP, EFIS, CDU, and Radios/Transponder. Is there anything special I need to know to interface with Sim Avionics? I am assuming it works with the x737 and XPUIPC?
I will be able to answer some of your questions better once I am home tonight as I am just starting the switch over myself. It's not cut and dry but with SimA as Scott has said things are a little easier for the switch over to X Plane. More to follow once I am home.
Awesome will be ready for any advice. Thank You so much. Really eager to get the hardware working with X Plane 10
It has been a while since I ran that setup Justin so there may even be better functionality on newer versions of Sim-A. You need the x737 for the flight model but nothing else. Once installed you delete the plugin in its plugin folder alltogether because you will be using Sim-A for systems rather than the x737. You dont want them conflicting. Xpuipc was used just to have access to offsets conversion so sim-a could use familiar fsx type offsets that have been translates by xpuipc from X-plane datarefs. If you have all fds hardware then sim-a provides all the interfacit functions built in to handle their hardware. Hopefully some of the others that have flown x-plane with sim-a can chime in as well. There are a number of them on this site.
Scott
Taking the popcorn out!
Nat Crea has done the switch to x-plane using FDS and SimA. He might jumped in here
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Justin,
Pretty much what Scott said.
ONCE you get your hardware setup and working with SimA, theres not much else to do.
I will be doing some more tests in the coming weeks as I have some quirks, but could be on my
side and nothing to do with XPlane.
Nat
Thank You all for the advice. I'll hopefully get her going up and soon. Hopefully I won't run into too many issues. I'll report back with any anomalies I may have along the way.