Dual linked Ace Yokes... missing inox rings ???

[Nick1150]

Hello to all,

I have received months ago my dual linked yokes from ACE. The product is great apart from the fact the it is not really plug and and play and you need to experiment with the cables connection and the most important .... from the start I had only two inox rings for the yokes base instead of four in the package. After many e-mails I haven't received any response from Ali. I will try to copy the rings in my local inox shop, BUT just warning for the future buyers, be aware... Ace products are great, but luck after sales service.

Hope that helps someone.

Regards,

Nick

[Nick1150]

After the above message, I received a pm from Ali asking my address to send me the missing rings. I answered giving all details requested. That is 2 months ago.

Still waiting for those rings !!!

I must repeat my self, Ace products are great, but luck after sales service.

Be aware...

[Nick1150]

After 18 months or so still the inox rings have not arrived....

No comment ....

[Boeing Skunk Works]

Knowing who to trust in this hobby is everything. That is if you don't want to wait a decade for parts.

The market is so so slim for what we do, that there are (or were) tens of fly-by-night companies and suppliers trying to turn a hobby into a liveyhood that just couldn't make it. Prices are high, margins are low, and there just aren't hundreds of thousands of people building 737's in their garages and basements.

Orders might pile up, or the manufacturer goes out on a limb with startup credit and the orders don't come in, suppliers can't supply, etc. For whatever reason, only the best and brightest in this hobby survive. I can tell you right now I'm not waiting 8-12 months for a part. Ever. I don't give a crap if it's straight out of the airplane and modified to be USB plug-n-play. No one should have to wait that long for a part.

Custom firearms don't even take that long. Call Wilson Combat and ask them for a custom 1911. Five months tops, and that's a conservative estimate. Probably get it in four...and they send you e-mail updates regularly.

Communication with vendors seems to be an ongoing problem in this hobby that hasn't changed a bit since I've been on break the last 18 months.

[Boeing Skunk Works]

A lot of people in this hobby are 'especially skilled' and you need to become one of us. There is no book of instructions on how to build one of these money pits that everyone's wife chastises them about (except me).

Some of us have to try something to see if it works and then try something else when it doesn't work. There is no manual for what we do.

I built my own yoke system, but I bought the actual control wheel from APHS from an American Airlines 727 the guy had actually flown many times. I can't built stuff like that. I don't have molding and shaping equipment, but I can build anything out of wood or plastic.

If you really want to do this, you'll have to get your hands dirty, make mistakes like the rest of us, and learn from them to do better the next try.

There are very few turn-key solutions to this hobby unless you are nearly independently wealthy. You can contact FDS for that.

[Garys]

Keep trying to contact him. You wont get your parts otherwise.

Gary

[jackpilot]

A lot of people in this hobby are 'especially skilled' and you need to become one of us. There is no book of instructions on how to build one of these money pits that everyone's wife chastises them about (except me).

Some of us have to try something to see if it works and then try something else when it doesn't work. There is no manual for what we do.

I built my own yoke system, but I bought the actual control wheel from APHS from an American Airlines 727 the guy had actually flown many times. I can't built stuff like that. I don't have molding and shaping equipment, but I can build anything out of wood or plastic.

If you really want to do this, you'll have to get your hands dirty, make mistakes like the rest of us, and learn from them to do better the next try.

There are very few turn-key solutions to this hobby unless you are nearly independently wealthy. You can contact FDS for that.

I fully agree with your approach... except for your last comment.
I'm not nearly independently wealthy, far from it, neither are many FDS parts users here. Some parts we use , like a basic  MIP structure,  a CDU, or a nose shell are cheaper to buy from them (for what you get) than trying to build/restore it yourself , besides there is no real alternative as real NG parts do not show up on the market yet. And top notch "after sale" servce is included.

[Boeing Skunk Works]

I meant the turn-key solution from them...a fully built and installed dual seat training simulator. Not that individual components were only for the independently wealthy.

[jackpilot]

OK Different crowd, different needs and means...but we all benefitin the end.

Lets go back to yokes!

[Boeing Skunk Works]

Well, I wish you luck with whatever you decide.

I hope you will be able to make repairs when the time comes.

[jackpilot]

I don't think you need to be especially skilled to put together a cockpit.

Sorry, my time is more important,

Sorry, I'm too old to put  up with that!

[XOrionFE]

I love this thread.  I have been working on my sim for over 3 years and you think you can build one in lightening speed using plug and play components?

Good luck with that....

You still have to have skills and understand what you are building.  This is NOT a plug and play hobby or airframe.

[Maurice]

Ben,

Maybe you should think about this. There are many very technically competent people in this forum who have been working at building a cockpit for many years even while using many Plug & Play or should I say Plug & Pray components.

If this was all as easy as you seem to think, then all these people must either be very incompetent or lazy or both. I choose to believe otherwise but the only way for you to find out the truth will be to actually start building instead of just talking about it.

Maurice

[Maurice]

Ben,

Your questions are impossible to answer without knowing what skills you bring to this game. What is easy for one person is hell for someone else and even if you know your strengths, you may or will be surprised to find out how many new skills you will need at various stages.

Building a flight deck with mostly plug & play components or whole assemblies is definitely not rocket science but neither is it as simple as putting together an IKEA bookcase. The good news is that you don't need to belong to Mensa to acquire the skills & knowledge you will need.

If you are serious about building a flight deck, stop trying to anticipate all the hurdles ahead of time. All you really need to know is that people with very different abilities have succeeded and that NOBODY has done it entirely on their own.

There will be times when you will need help and this is when this & other forums will be very useful since there is a wealth of knowledge & experience from many people who are willing to share & help.

You can keep dipping your toes one at a time or dive right in but all I know is that if I had tried to anticipate all the problems, hurdles or aggravations I was going to experience, I would never have started.

Maurice

[Nat Crea]

Ben...mate...I know you've copped (aussie slang) a bit of a beating, but we all love what we do, sharing knowledge, helping others and innovating. But you have to jump in at some point, you cant expect to build your whole sim and visuals in your head or paper.

You'll get a lot of help here, but (believe it or not) we don't know EVERYTHING and every ANSWER to every question or idea that pops in to ones head.
We haven't bought and tested every piece of hardware or software ever invented, that's where the frustration might be coming from.
Hope you dont mind me jumping in....ok...back to Yokes

Nat

[Nat Crea]

Wow...that is fantastic. Now you'll be the JetMAX TQ guru and have first hand
experience on specific hardware.
Those damn couriers...have fun  tomorrow!

Nat

[Maurice]

Ben...mate...I know you've copped (aussie slang) a bit of a beating,

Nat

I don't think that telling the truth about cockpit building to someone classifies as a beating. I call it managing expectations 

Maurice